(PTBR) APRENDER A PERCEBER - Allan Kaplan e Sue Davidoff (03/02 - 12h)

Welcome and Introduction

Opening Remarks

• The speaker expresses gratitude for the opportunity to be present with Alan, Su, and other attendees, highlighting the honor of gathering with both familiar and new faces.

• Emphasizes the importance of the course at Schumaker School Brazil, noting that it is a unique chance to engage with influential educators.

• The course aims to explore how these educators have shaped their understanding of education and worldview over recent years.

Course Structure

• The format includes asking four prominent educators similar questions over three days: Alan today, Patricia tomorrow, and Craig on Thursday.

• The intention is not to compare answers but to gain diverse perspectives on shared themes through thoughtful questioning.

Purpose of Questions

• Acknowledges that while there may not be definitive answers or tools provided, the goal is to examine long-held practices from different angles.

• Recognizes that the questions posed are complex and challenging but essential for deeper understanding.

Engagement with Educators

Interactive Format

• Clarifies that this session will not follow a traditional Q&A format; instead, it encourages dialogue around the posed questions.

• Invites Alan and Su to greet participants before diving into discussions.

Personal Reflections

• Alan shares his excitement about being part of such an engaging meeting despite being virtual. He expresses love for Brazil and its people.

• Reflecting on previous experiences in Brazil, he likens answering questions in this context to dancing together—inviting spontaneity rather than rigid responses.

Collaborative Learning Experience

Open Conversation

• Emphasizes that while prepared questions exist, they serve as prompts for a broader conversation rather than strict guidelines.

• Acknowledges Fernanda's role in translation which facilitates communication among participants during discussions.

Experimentation in Learning

• Describes this week as an experimental learning process aimed at understanding current educational needs amidst changing times.

• Suggestion made to introduce speakers differently rather than focusing solely on biographical details—encouraging engagement from both long-time followers and newcomers.

Introduction to Activism and Practice

Articulating Practice and Identity

• The discussion begins with a prompt for participants to articulate their practices as a means of self-presentation, acknowledging varying levels of engagement in delicate activism.

• One speaker shares their background, highlighting their origins from Cape Town, South Africa, contrasting it with another participant's upbringing in Johannesburg.

• They reflect on how they grew up separately but eventually formed a collaborative practice that integrates their individual experiences in social practices and education.

Evolution of Collaborative Practices

• Both speakers recount their initial work within separate NGOs focused on education and community development before merging efforts into a unified practice.

• They describe the challenge of defining their work succinctly due to its complexity and context-dependent nature, often leading to mutual uncertainty about how to explain it effectively.

Core Concepts of Their Work

• A pivotal question arises regarding whether observational practice can serve a curatorial role rather than merely an interventionist one in social contexts.

• The speakers emphasize the importance of observation as a foundational element that connects both educational and developmental aspects of their work.

Understanding Observation in Social Context

Role of Observation

• They explore the idea that observation can help individuals understand themselves within broader social contexts, promoting deeper self-awareness among communities or organizations.

• The essence of their approach lies in using observations not just for action but for comprehension, allowing situations to evolve naturally based on understanding.

Expanding Observational Capacities

• There is an emphasis on enhancing observational skills as crucial for fostering trust in one's perceptions and aligning them with cognitive processes.

• The dialogue shifts towards how this interplay between perception and thought can lead to more authentic responses to complex social issues.

Challenges Faced Over Time

Evolving Social Tensions

• Reflecting on past experiences, they note that while early years felt simpler, current societal tensions are increasingly complex and challenging to navigate.

• They express concern over reactive approaches taken by individuals when faced with these tensions, indicating a need for more thoughtful engagement rather than urgent responses.

Understanding the Challenges Post-World War I

The Importance of Comprehension

• The speaker reflects on the difficulties faced at the end of World War I, emphasizing that many today may not fully grasp these challenges.

• A key takeaway from Stan's perspective is to "seek understanding," highlighting that comprehension is crucial for societal change.

Addressing Polarization in Society

• The discussion shifts to recognizing tensions in societal behavior, questioning what might be wrong with current responses to global issues.

• The term "polarization" is identified as a defining characteristic of today's world, where situations seem to exacerbate divisions among people.

• There’s a temptation to take sides and determine right or wrong, but understanding underlying dynamics is essential for deeper insight into polarization.

Moving Beyond Fixing Problems

• The speaker references Su's observation about the allure of trying to fix problems rather than seeking understanding.

• There's an acknowledgment that attempts to "fix" social issues often stem from a belief that they can be controlled through proper analysis and input.

Interconnectedness of Issues

• It’s noted that viewing the world as composed of isolated problems overlooks its interconnected nature; everything affects everything else.

• An analogy about dental health illustrates how physical issues are connected to broader bodily and spiritual contexts, reinforcing the idea of holistic understanding.

Reflecting on Educational Systems

• The speaker draws parallels between societal issues and educational challenges faced during apartheid in South Africa, noting systemic failures persist even after political changes.

• Efforts made by governments post-apartheid were ineffective without individual reflection and participation from educators and leaders within schools.

Understanding Phenomenology in Education

Introduction to the Discussion

• The conversation brings together experts from different fields—Craig, a biologist and researcher, and Patrícia, who works with organizations, alongside educators—to explore a shared understanding of phenomenology in the context of South Africa.

Defining Phenomenology

• Participants discuss the term "phenomenology," noting its varied interpretations and potential confusion among audiences. They aim to clarify its meaning and significance in their practices.

• One speaker emphasizes that at its core, phenomenology involves how we perceive the world, suggesting that our perceptions shape our reality. This awareness is crucial for understanding our participation in the world.

Key Insights on Perception

• Another participant simplifies phenomenology as learning to see and perceive effectively, highlighting it as an essential skill for engaging with one's environment.

• The relationship between external phenomena and internal perception is discussed; this interaction shapes both personal consciousness and the external world simultaneously. Thus, they argue that perception is not linear but rather a reciprocal process.

Radical Nature of Phenomenology

• The concept of "radical phenomenology" is introduced as a practice that challenges conventional ways of seeing by emphasizing simultaneous interactions between observers and observed phenomena. This perspective fosters greater freedom and responsibility in how individuals engage with their surroundings.

• Acknowledging this simultaneity can lead to profound shifts in perception, allowing individuals to experience a more dynamic relationship with their environment rather than viewing it through static lenses.

Practical Examples of Phenomenological Practice

• To illustrate these concepts tangibly, participants are encouraged to share personal stories or examples related to their experiences with nature or social interventions.

• One speaker shares their long-term relationship with a wild land area they have nurtured over 30 years, describing how attentive care has led to increased biodiversity and beauty within that space—a practical application of phenomenological principles in action.

Understanding Our Relationship with the Land

The Importance of Engagement with the Land

• The speaker emphasizes the significance of appreciating the land through active observation rather than mere instructions, fostering a deeper connection.

• Acknowledges that this relationship transforms the land, making it distinct from neighboring areas, highlighting how engagement alters perceptions and experiences.

• Cites Nego Bispo's perspective that involvement is more crucial than development, suggesting that true connection leads to a richer understanding of the land.

• Discusses how some may view observation as passive; however, true engagement requires an active and receptive approach to truly perceive and understand.

• Encourages elaboration on what constitutes quality observation and perception, stressing that receptivity involves action rather than passivity.

Active Listening in Social Practices

• The conversation shifts to exploring how active listening can lead to deeper insights within social practices and organizational dynamics.

• Highlights a personal experience working with an NGO in South Africa where internal conflicts hindered effective interventions despite good intentions.

• Describes the process of actively listening to individuals' perspectives without rushing to solve their problems, which allowed for greater articulation of thoughts among participants.

• Notes that as people shared their views, they began recognizing issues within their organization that they had previously overlooked.

• Illustrates a five-day workshop where initial discussions led to collective understanding before moving towards strategic planning.

Collective Understanding Over Individual Perspectives

• Emphasizes patience in allowing participants to see the broader picture instead of focusing solely on individual projects or grievances.

• Concludes by noting that when individuals stop fighting amongst themselves and start observing collectively, they gain clarity about their organization's overall situation.

Strategic Planning and Perception

Emergence of Strategic Plans

• The emergence of a strategic plan is likened to opening a book with pre-written pages, indicating a clear direction for the organization.

Understanding Social Processes

• The discussion emphasizes that understanding social processes involves not just perception but also critical thinking; perception plays a crucial role in this context.

Importance of Observation

• Observing conflicts within stories is essential; recognizing these conflicts helps in understanding the deeper narratives at play.

Hard Work in Perception

• Engaging deeply with patterns, habits, and repetitions requires diligent effort; it’s about uncovering what emerges rather than merely analyzing data.

Organizational Direction

• The strategic plan reflects the current state of the organization and its future needs, serving as an expression of where it stands and where it aims to go.

Evolving Practices in Observation

Reflection on Historical Context

• A question arises regarding how practices have evolved over 20 to 30 years, particularly post-pandemic and amidst global polarization.

Developing Perception of Truth

• There’s an increasing need to cultivate a nuanced perception of truth amid overwhelming media influences; this development is seen as vital for effective engagement with reality.

Refinement of Sensitivity

• Trusting one’s own perceptions requires refining personal sensitivity and capabilities to discern truth from misinformation effectively.

The Nature of Truth

Subjective Experience of Truth

• The conversation highlights that truth isn’t absolute but rather a subjective experience that individuals must develop internally.

Human Capacity for Truth

• A key assertion is made: "Truth is not an answer but a human capacity," emphasizing the importance of working on our perception to navigate through deception prevalent in society.

Challenges in Discernment

• The manipulation by powerful forces complicates our ability to discern truth; thus, developing this skill becomes increasingly important in today’s world.

Understanding the Nature of Truth and Research

The Importance of Discernment

• The speaker emphasizes the vital role of discernment in understanding truth, especially in the current context. Reflecting on past experiences is crucial for this process.

Research vs. Practice

• A discussion arises about viewing their work as a practice rather than traditional research, suggesting a need to explore this distinction further.

• The speaker proposes that their work involves researching truth and human discernment, questioning how these concepts relate to their experiential practices.

Active Research Concept

• One participant expresses discomfort with the term "research," feeling it creates a separation from personal experience and life’s movement. They advocate for an active, participatory approach to research.

• This active research focuses on self-reflection within specific social contexts, allowing individuals to engage deeply with their actions and surroundings.

Defining Practice

• The speaker clarifies that they refer to their work as "practice" because it embodies learning to see rather than merely conducting research.

Community and Change

• A participant shares emotional reflections on attending a transformative course in Thailand, linking personal growth with community change through deeper understanding of truth.

Navigating Polarization Around Truth

• There is concern about discussing truth amidst societal polarization; participants seek ways to articulate natural truths without imposing perspectives on others.

• The conversation shifts towards finding methods for discussing inherent truths about nature and humanity without triggering polarized responses.

Communication's Role in Observation

• Another participant highlights that our observations are influenced by our personal lenses shaped by life experiences, emphasizing the importance of communication in sharing insights effectively.

• They stress that observation goes beyond mere sight; it involves interpreting what we see through our accumulated knowledge and experiences.

Challenges of Polarization

• The difficulty surrounding discussions of polarization is noted; individuals may cling tightly to their perspectives, complicating open dialogue about shared truths.

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Understanding the Role of Communication in Observation

The Impact of Communication on Observation

• The speaker emphasizes that communication transcends mere observation, highlighting its significant impact on how we perceive and practice observation.

• It is noted that the quality of our observations is heavily influenced by our existing repertoire and references, suggesting that our vocabulary shapes our worldview.

• The discussion raises concerns about how communication can be both a limiting factor and an expanding tool, as it informs us based on prior knowledge and experiences.

Challenges in Thinking and Perception

• A participant expresses skepticism about thinking processes, indicating a need to "unlearn" previous concepts while still engaging cognitive abilities.

• There’s a challenge identified in balancing the desire to think freely without being constrained by established thought patterns; practicing mindfulness or Zen may help.

• The conversation reflects on overcoming personal limitations through community design, emphasizing traditional methods to address systemic constraints.

Exploring Limitations in Language and Truth

• A participant discusses the importance of recognizing limitations imposed by habitual ways of thinking when addressing complex issues.

• Questions arise regarding how to respond effectively to interconnected inquiries about language's role in shaping perceptions of truth.

Understanding Truth and Perception

• One speaker warns against viewing truth as an absolute external entity, which can lead to dogmatism; instead, they advocate for a more nuanced understanding rooted within oneself.

• Emphasis is placed on recognizing personal lenses that limit perception while also acknowledging their inherent gifts; this awareness is crucial for enhancing observational skills.

Building Relationships Through Presence

• The practice discussed aims at fostering awareness of one’s own perceptual lenses to improve understanding and interaction with the world around us.

• There’s a call for deepening attention and presence as essential components for meaningful engagement with reality rather than relying solely on tools or frameworks.

Discussion on Emotional Anatomy and Truth

Introduction to the Discussion

• Sandra expresses joy in seeing everyone and mentions her background as a body psychotherapist, focusing on emotional anatomy.

• She identifies two sources of truth for individuals: cortical thoughts (conscious) and subcortical bodily feelings (less conscious).

Contradictions Between Mind and Body

• Sandra notes that often, people's thoughts contradict their bodily sensations; they are more aware of their thoughts than their physical feelings.

• She emphasizes that these contradictions can lead to confusion about one's true self.

Inquiry into Practice

• Sandra asks if practitioners consider the significant differences between what people think and what their bodies communicate.

• She highlights that there are multiple thoughts and bodily experiences, questioning how this complexity is navigated in practice.

Exploring Research Methodologies

Liane's Perspective on Research

• Liane introduces herself as an attorney from Fortaleza, Brazil, expressing excitement about the discussion.

• She raises concerns about researchers arriving with preconceived answers rather than questions, which she finds problematic.

The Role of Humility in Research

• Liane advocates for humility in research practices, emphasizing the importance of being open to new possibilities beyond mere intellectual understanding.

Philosophical Connections with Spinoza

Inquiry into Spinoza's Concepts

• Liane references Spinoza’s ideas regarding non-fragmentation between thought and body, seeking clarity on how these concepts align with current practices.

Group Dynamics in Corporate Settings

Alan's Observations on Group Perception

• Alan discusses his experience with strategic planning in large corporations, noting signs when groups begin to see themselves as a whole rather than fragmented parts.

The Importance of Holistic Understanding

Emphasizing Unity in Human Experience

• Alan stresses the need for awareness of human beings as integrated entities comprising body, soul, and spirit—thought processes must harmonize with emotions and willpower.

Final Thoughts on Research Approaches

• He concludes by reiterating Liane’s point about researchers needing to approach inquiries without predetermined conclusions.

Understanding Research and Social Change

The Nature of Research

• The term "research" in English implies a continuous search for understanding, akin to "re-search," indicating the need to explore again.

• Emphasizes that research is not merely about testing hypotheses but involves a broader perspective on life and participation within it.

Observing Social Changes

• When social situations change, the most noticeable shifts are in interpersonal relationships, highlighting connections and easing tensions among individuals.

Reflection and Engagement

• Acknowledges the importance of engaging with challenging questions during discussions, which can lead to refreshing insights.

• Encourages participants to reflect collectively during evening sessions, emphasizing the value of shared experiences and practices.

Gratitude and Acknowledgment

• Expresses appreciation for attendees' willingness to engage in meaningful discussions amidst their busy lives, recognizing this as a countercultural practice.

Closing Thoughts

• Concludes by affirming that challenging questions were welcomed rather than unpleasant, enhancing the overall dialogue experience.