Mark Zuckerberg: First Interview in the Metaverse | Lex Fridman Podcast #398

Name: Mark Zuckerberg: First Interview in the Metaverse | Lex Fridman Podcast #398
Uploaded: 2023-09-28T17:20:52.000Z
Duration: 2 h 8 min 39 s

Introduction to the Metaverse

In this section, Mark Zuckerberg discusses the concept of the metaverse and how it can revolutionize human connection on the internet.

The Future of Human Connection in the Metaverse

The metaverse allows people to connect with each other in a deeply meaningful way on the internet.

Photorealistic avatars with spatial audio capture facial expressions and emotions, enhancing communication.

Upgrading emotions expressing capabilities is an area for improvement.

Impression of Realism in the Metaverse

Mark Zuckerberg shares his excitement about the realism and immersive experience of being in the metaverse.

Realism and Immersion in the Metaverse

The lighting effects and realistic avatars create an incredible sense of presence.

Despite being physically apart, it feels like being in the same room due to photorealistic avatars.

The level of realism surpasses expectations, making it difficult to describe with words.

Photorealistic Avatars in Detail

Mark Zuckerberg explains how photorealistic avatars are created and transmitted within the metaverse.

Creating Photorealistic Avatars

Scanning technology captures different expressions and builds computer models of faces and bodies.

A codec is used to transmit encoded versions of avatars over a network, reducing bandwidth requirements.

Imperfections like freckles, variations in color, wrinkles, and asymmetry enhance immersion.

Communication through Expressive Avatars

Mark Zuckerberg discusses how expressive avatars contribute to effective communication within the metaverse.

Importance of Expressive Avatars

Studies show that non-verbal communication plays a significant role in human interaction.

Classical expressive avatars allow users to convey emotions through facial expressions.

Photorealistic avatars add a new level of realism and immersion, enhancing the sense of presence.

Making Metaverse Accessible

Mark Zuckerberg shares his vision for making the metaverse more accessible to a wider audience.

Future Accessibility of the Metaverse

Currently, detailed scans are required for photorealistic avatars, limiting accessibility.

The goal is to make the scanning process more efficient and accessible to a larger number of people.

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Quick Scan with Cell Phone

The goal is to develop a quick scan process using a cell phone that can capture facial expressions and emotions in just a few minutes. Currently, the process takes hours and requires specialized technology.

The challenge is to make the scanning process more efficient and accessible.

The ability to capture scans quickly will enable more immersive experiences in the metaverse.

This technology can be used for video calls, but the real potential lies in physically interacting and participating in activities together.

Building applications and use cases around this technology is crucial for its success.

Expressiveness of Codec Avatars

Tuning the expressiveness of codec avatars is an important aspect of creating realistic virtual interactions.

Different people emote to different extents, so tuning individual expressions is necessary.

Giving users control over their avatar's emotive range raises questions about personal preferences.

Some individuals may prefer their avatar to be more emotive than their actual faces.

Starting from capturing how people naturally emote provides a baseline for avatar expressiveness.

The current version of codec avatars has successfully crossed the uncanny valley, providing a realistic experience.

Subtle Expressions and Avatar Immersion

Codec avatars excel at capturing subtle expressions, particularly through eye movements, enhancing immersion during conversations.

Subtle movements of the corners of the eyes convey various emotions like happiness or boredom effectively.

Using codec avatars in podcasts or similar formats allows for an intimate conversation experience.

Photorealistic codec avatars may translate well on 2D screens, maintaining the sense of immersion felt when experiencing them firsthand.

Intimacy of Conversations in Virtual Spaces

The intimacy of conversations in virtual spaces can be a captivating and intriguing experience.

Conversations in virtual spaces can create a sense of intimacy that is not easily replicated in other mediums.

The immersive nature of codec avatars adds depth to the conversation experience.

It remains to be seen how viewers perceive this level of intimacy when watching conversations with codec avatars.

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Making Mixed Reality More Accessible

In this section, the speaker discusses the timeline for making mixed reality more accessible and integrating it into various applications. They mention the potential benefits for productivity and gaming environments, as well as the challenges of balancing realism with aesthetic style.

Timeline and Integration

The speaker plans to roll out mixed reality progressively over time, rather than all at once.

Initially, the focus is on getting more people scanned and into the system.

The goal is to integrate mixed reality into various apps, particularly for work-related tasks and meetings.

While games have their own aesthetic style, mixed reality could greatly enhance remote meetings in terms of experience and presence.

Challenges and Future Developments

Feedback from users indicates that while they are impressed with the experience in work rooms, some find the avatars less realistic.

The introduction of a technology like this could significantly improve remote meetings, especially with the upcoming release of Quest 3.

The ability to overlay digital expressions on physical objects or people opens up exciting possibilities for remote hangouts and other experiences.

Although not yet ready for mainstream use, there are plans to continue refining and expanding these features in the next few years.

The speaker expresses a desire to see both celebrities and non-celebrities scanned to allow more people to experience this technology.

Fidelity Challenges in Mixed Reality

In this section, the speaker discusses challenges related to achieving optimal fidelity in mixed reality experiences. They highlight considerations such as body movements versus facial expressions and finding a balance between computational requirements and realism.

Fidelity Considerations

Achieving optimal fidelity involves determining what level of detail is necessary for different aspects of the virtual representation.

Full-body representation can be computationally intensive but may not be as crucial as capturing facial expressions accurately.

Facial movements play a significant role in conveying emotions and expressions, making them a priority for high resolution and realism.

The team is working on finding the right balance between fidelity and computational requirements to deliver an immersive mixed reality experience.

Quest 3: Advancements in Mixed Reality

In this section, the speaker discusses the upcoming release of Quest 3 and highlights advancements in mixed reality technology. They emphasize the goal of making mixed reality accessible to a wider audience by improving affordability and performance.

Quest 3 Features

Quest 3 is described as the first mainstream mixed reality device.

The speaker expresses pride in making innovations accessible to everyone by offering Quest 3 at a more affordable price compared to previous models.

Mixed reality capabilities in Quest 3 are expected to surpass those of Quest Pro, thanks to improvements in resolution and sensor technology.

Collaboration with Qualcomm resulted in a custom version of their next-generation chipset, further enhancing the performance of Quest 3.

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The New Headset Features and Capabilities

In this section, the speaker discusses the improved display and chip of the new headset, which results in better graphics. The headset is also thinner and more comfortable to wear. However, the most significant capability shift is the introduction of mixed reality, allowing digital representations of people or objects to be superimposed on the real world.

The new headset offers better graphics and a more comfortable design due to improvements in display and chip technology.

Each new iteration of the headset introduces major new capabilities, unlike smartphones where differences between models are often minimal.

Mixed reality is a key feature of the new headset, enabling users to bring digital objects into their physical environment. This can enhance experiences in various settings such as living rooms, meeting spaces, or offices.

Mixed reality provides a safer and more secure experience compared to fully immersive virtual reality (VR). Users can still enjoy immersion and 3D experiences while being aware of their surroundings.

Unique Experiences with Quest 3

In this section, the speaker highlights some unique experiences that can be achieved with Quest 3's mixed reality capabilities. They mention how users can interact with others in shared spaces while seeing their real-world surroundings.

Quest 3 allows users to share experiences with others in shared spaces while seeing each other's real-world surroundings. This creates a fundamentally different experience compared to pure VR where interactions are limited to virtual environments.

Users can engage in activities like swinging their arms without worrying about hitting objects in their physical space since they can see and interact with both digital objects and their real environment.

The integration of physical reality and digital reality in mixed reality experiences is seamless, allowing users to add virtual windows or other elements to their surroundings while still enjoying a pleasant view outside.

Technical Challenges and Hand Tracking

In this section, the speaker discusses the technical challenges involved in creating mixed reality experiences and highlights the advancements made in hand tracking technology.

Creating mixed reality experiences requires multiple cameras on the headset to capture different angles and create a three-dimensional space. Mapping these camera perspectives to the user's viewpoint in real-time is a complex computational problem that involves AI algorithms.

Hand tracking technology has made significant progress, allowing accurate recognition of hand movements without the need for controllers. This enables users to interact with virtual objects using natural gestures.

Impact on Developer Community

In this section, the speaker discusses how Quest 3's widespread adoption will impact the developer community and drive innovation in creating new experiences.

The release of Quest 3 with its mixed reality capabilities will attract millions of users, which will encourage developers to experiment and build new applications for this platform.

The combination of mixed reality, hand tracking, and other features creates an immersive digital experience that aligns with the vision of a metaverse where physical and digital realities converge.

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The Future of Photorealistic Avatars

In this section, the speaker discusses the potential impact of photorealistic avatars on our perception of reality and the integration of physical and digital worlds.

Photorealistic Avatars and the Blending of Physical and Digital Worlds

Photorealistic avatars have the potential to create a world where physical objects coexist with holograms. This raises questions about our perception of reality.

The speaker believes that the combination of physical and digital worlds will redefine what we consider as the "real world." Previously, these two realms were separate, accessed through screens.

The integration of physical and digital worlds through photorealistic avatars will provide a more coherent experience. Many things that are currently physical can be transformed into digital holograms, such as screens, media, books, art, games, and even social interactions.

Blending Physical Presence with Holographic Avatars

With photorealistic avatars, people can participate in mixed hangouts or meetings where some individuals are physically present while others appear as holograms. This creates a sense of presence for both parties.

In addition to human interaction, photorealistic avatars also allow for the embodiment of artificial intelligence (AI). AI entities can join meetings as realistic avatars, contributing to discussions and collaborations.

Acceptance and Potential Preferences for Photorealistic Avatars

The acceptance of photorealistic avatars depends on people's familiarity with the technology. Initially, it may be easier for individuals to take experiences seriously when using photorealistic avatars compared to more expressive ones. However, preferences may evolve over time as people become accustomed to blending their physical reality with non-physical expressions.

The speaker is curious to see whether people will ultimately prefer photorealistic avatars or opt for more interesting modifications. It remains uncertain how individuals will choose to express themselves in the hybrid physical and digital world.

Expressiveness of Photorealistic Avatars

In this section, the speaker explores the expressive capabilities of photorealistic avatars compared to other avatar types.

Potential for Expressiveness in Photorealistic Avatars

Photorealistic avatars have the potential to replicate various facial expressions and movements, including eyebrows, eyes, and cheeks. While expressive avatars may not look exactly like individuals, they can still convey emotions effectively.

The speaker believes there is a bridge between current physical interactions and future experiences with hybrid physical and digital worlds. As people become more familiar with photorealistic avatars, it may be easier for them to take these experiences seriously before exploring more expressive options.

There is a possibility that people may prefer expressing themselves in ways that are not solely tied to their physical reality once they become accustomed to photorealistic avatars and blended realities. This aspect intrigues the speaker as an area for further exploration.

New Section

In this section, the speakers discuss the experience of interacting with different types of avatars in virtual reality and the potential implications for transitioning from the physical world to a digital one.

Photorealistic Avatars vs. Cartoon Avatars

Interacting with both photorealistic and cartoon avatars is considered normal in virtual reality.

The question arises whether photorealistic avatars are essential for transitioning to a digital world or if there will be a balance between different avatar styles.

The short-term preference is for photorealistic avatars, as they provide an immersive and high-quality experience.

The ability to see a friend remotely, as realistically as possible, while enjoying activities together is seen as a game-changer.

New Section

In this section, the speakers delve into questions about identity and how our perception of ourselves may change in relation to realistic avatars.

Identity and Realistic Avatars

As realistic avatars become more prevalent, questions arise about temporal accuracy and capturing individuals' current appearance.

There may be subtle discrepancies between an avatar's appearance at the time of capture and their real-time physical appearance.

This raises philosophical questions about identity and whether we perceive ourselves based on our best or worst versions.

Social scientists and psychologists will need to study how our perception of ourselves and others shifts in relation to realistic avatars.

New Section

In this section, the speakers explore the possibility of communicating with deceased loved ones through realistic avatars in virtual reality.

Communicating with Deceased Loved Ones

The power of experiencing realistic avatars leads to thoughts about talking to loved ones who have passed away.

There will be norms and considerations around grieving individuals being able to interact with deceased loved ones through avatars.

The ability to have conversations with deceased loved ones in a realistic manner is seen as a profound and potentially transformative experience.

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Accessing Deceased Users' Digital Content

In this section, the speaker discusses the challenges and protocols involved in providing access to deceased users' digital content on social media platforms.

Accessing Profiles of Deceased Users

Social media platforms have protocols in place to allow families to access certain parts of a deceased user's profile.

Some parts of the profile are memorialized to preserve memories and enable family members to access them.

However, private content such as messages is not accessible to the family.

Best Practices and Future Possibilities

The current digital world offers some best practices for handling deceased users' profiles.

The speaker mentions the potential intersection with AI systems, enabling an AI version of oneself to interact with people even while alive.

This could help fulfill the desire for interaction between creators and their communities.

Building AI Versions for Interaction

In this section, the speaker explores the idea of building AI versions of oneself for interaction purposes.

Empowering Creators with AI Tools

The goal is not to create a single superintelligence but rather empower individuals with AI tools.

Creators, such as podcast hosts, can benefit from having an AI version that interacts with their community.

Due to time limitations, it's challenging for creators to personally engage with every member of their community.

Avatar Versions in the Metaverse

An avatar version of oneself in the metaverse could provide a compelling experience for interacting with others.

This avatar would be an AI representation that people know is not physically present but can still engage with.

Implementing this concept requires addressing various technical challenges before allowing creators to build their own versions.

Vision for Early AI Personalities

In this section, the speaker discusses the vision for early AI personalities and their potential uses.

Empowering Everyone with AI

The vision is to empower everyone with various AI personalities rather than relying on a single AI.

Different AI personalities can serve different purposes, from general assistance to business-oriented interactions.

Meta AI: A Vanilla Assistant

One of the early strides in developing AI personalities is Meta AI, a simple and neutral assistant.

Meta AI can be accessed through chat threads and provides factual information and assistance.

Business-Oriented Use Cases

Another use case involves enabling natural conversations between customers and small businesses.

Instead of waiting on hold or navigating websites, users can have a seamless conversation with an AI assistant.

Interacting with Avatar Versions in the Metaverse

In this section, the speaker explores the concept of interacting with avatar versions of oneself in the metaverse.

Compelling Experience through Avatars

Interacting with avatar versions of individuals can provide a compelling experience for users.

While it may not be possible to directly interact with the physical person, engaging with their avatar could be the next best thing.

Extending Across Messaging Platforms

The concept of avatar interaction is not limited to the metaverse but can extend across messaging platforms like WhatsApp, Messenger, and Instagram Direct.

This allows for broader accessibility and engagement opportunities.

Experimenting with Early AIS

Although building personal avatars is not yet available for creators, there are ongoing experiments involving interactions with various AIS (AI systems).

These experiments aim to explore different capabilities and refine the technology before wider implementation.

Early Strides in Developing AI Personalities

In this section, the speaker discusses early strides made in developing AI personalities and the technical challenges involved.

Empowering Individuals with AI Tools

The goal is to empower individuals to have more fun, achieve business goals, and accomplish various tasks using AI tools.

Rather than relying on a single AI, there will be a variety of AI personalities available.

Meta AI: A Vanilla Assistant

One of the early strides is the development of Meta AI, a simple and neutral assistant accessible through chat threads.

Meta AI can provide assistance and engage in conversations without having a physical face.

Business-Oriented Use Cases

Another focus area involves enabling natural conversations between customers and small businesses.

This allows businesses to provide efficient customer service without needing dedicated staff for phone calls.

Fun Use Cases for AI Personalities

In this section, the speaker discusses fun use cases for AI personalities beyond business-oriented interactions.

Variety of Use Cases

Alongside practical applications, there will be use cases focused on providing enjoyable experiences.

People are likely to find interacting with different AI personalities entertaining and engaging.

Natural Conversations with Businesses

Users can have natural conversations with businesses for various purposes like issue resolution or making reservations.

This eliminates the need to navigate websites or wait on hold during phone calls.

Future Possibilities and Challenges

In this section, the speaker highlights future possibilities and acknowledges existing technical challenges in developing AI personalities.

Expanding Capabilities Over Time

As technology advances, the capabilities of AI personalities will continue to grow over time.

This expansion opens up new opportunities for users to interact with these systems effectively.

Technical Challenges Ahead

While progress has been made in developing early AIS (AI systems), there are still technical challenges that need to be addressed before allowing creators to build their own versions.

Ensuring the reliability, functionality, and user experience of AI personalities is crucial before wider release.

Facilitating Connection and AI Personalities

In this section, the speaker discusses the idea of facilitating connections between people through group chats based on shared interests. They also mention the potential for AI to enhance gaming experiences and improve non-player characters (NPCs). The speaker talks about an adventure text-based game with a celebrity dungeon master and the challenges of creating AI personalities based on real creators.

Facilitating Connections and Enhancing Gaming Experiences

Group chats can be created to connect people with similar interests such as sports, fashion, trivia, or video games.

AI can enhance gaming experiences by playing alongside players and improving NPCs.

An adventure text-based game with a celebrity dungeon master has been well-received in internal testing.

Cultural figures have participated in these games, with Snoop Dogg acting as the dungeon master.

Challenges of Creating AI Personalities

Creating new personas for AI is easier as they don't need to exactly represent the physical person they are inspired by.

When embodying a real creator, there are challenges in ensuring that the AI represents them accurately and respects their preferences.

The goal is to make AI models more reliable and predictable in their communication.

Parameters need to be set to ensure that the AI stays within bounds defined by the creator.

Future Developments

The focus is on improving AI models for existing characters, assistants, and personalities.

Releasing an improved version of avatars representing real creators is a more challenging problem that may be addressed next year.

Experimentation with existing characters, assistants, and personalities will begin this year.

New Experiences: Mimicking Yourself

In this section, the speaker expresses excitement about new experiences made possible through technology. They discuss the concept of mimicking oneself using Kodak Avatars and how it feels like a fundamentally new way of living. The speaker reflects on the blend of physical and digital reality and how it can shape the future.

Mimicking Yourself with Kodak Avatars

The possibility of mimicking oneself using Kodak Avatars is deeply entertaining.

It allows individuals to freeze themselves and observe their actions as if looking in a mirror.

This experience feels surreal and offers a fundamentally new way of seeing the world.

The blend of physical reality and digital reality opens up new possibilities for the future.

Blending Physical and Digital Reality

The speaker compares the early days of this technology to discovering a totally new way of living.

It challenges the notion that the internet is separate from reality, as it can enhance real-world experiences.

The blend of physical and digital reality may be the future, offering a unique perspective on the world.

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The Importance of Blending the Physical and Digital Worlds

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of blending the physical and digital worlds to create a more immersive and holistic human experience.

Blending Physical and Digital Worlds

The speaker emphasizes that humans are not meant to be stationary beings, but rather thrive when engaged in physical activities such as sports and martial arts. The physical aspect is an integral part of the human experience.

The digital world should not replace or overshadow the physical world, but rather complement it. There is currently an excess of digital content, making it necessary to find a balance between the two realms.

The future should aim for a coherently blended physical and digital world, where both aspects are seamlessly integrated. This would allow for a more immersive experience without sacrificing the importance of physical engagement.

Ethical Considerations in the Metaverse

The metaverse presents new opportunities for experiences that may not be possible in the physical world. However, there is a need to establish boundaries regarding what is allowed within this virtual realm.

Video games often allow for actions that would be illegal or harmful in reality. Determining where to draw the line between video game behavior and real-world behavior poses ethical challenges.

In terms of content creation within the metaverse, there are policies in place to regulate what people can create. However, it is important to strike a balance between freedom and preventing harm to others' rights or well-being.

Challenges and Opportunities in the Digital World

Anonymity in the digital world can lead to toxic behavior due to reduced accountability compared to face-to-face interactions in physical reality. Addressing these issues and establishing norms for good citizenship in the digital realm is crucial.

The digital world offers new possibilities that defy the limitations of physical reality, such as instant teleportation-like experiences. This opens up opportunities for remote work and collaboration, bridging physical distances while maintaining a sense of togetherness.

The ultimate goal is to create a future where people can work from anywhere while still feeling physically connected. Although current technologies like video conferencing fall short, advancements in virtual reality could bring us closer to achieving this vision.

Implications and Evolution of Technology

The speaker discusses the challenges of fully understanding the implications of a technology like AI from first principles. They emphasize the need to envision both the positive aspects and potential risks, while acknowledging that it will take time to build and evolve.

Envisioning the Future

It is difficult to predict all the implications of a technology like AI.

Efforts are made to anticipate and mitigate potential risks.

The development process will be gradual, evolving over time.

Open Sourcing Llama 2 and Future Models

The speaker reflects on the decision to open source Llama 2, highlighting its value as a foundation model. They express satisfaction with its reception and discuss plans for future models.

Open Sourcing Llama 2

There was debate about whether to open source Llama 2.

The value of open sourcing a foundation model like Llama 2 outweighed the risks.

The release of Llama 2 has been well-received with high downloads and usage.

Future Models

Work is ongoing on future foundation models.

No specific information or timeline is provided for the release of Llama 3 or other models.

Similar rigorous assessment and red teaming processes will be followed before open sourcing future models.

Building Consumer Products with Llama 2

The focus is on integrating Llama 2 into consumer products rather than treating it as a standalone product. Fine-tuning and preparing different branches derived from Llama 2 for consumer use are top priorities.

Integration into Consumer Products

Llama 2 is not intended as a consumer product but as infrastructure for building products.

The priority is to incorporate Llama 2 into various consumer products.

The goal is to create products that can be enjoyed by millions or even billions of people.

Safety and Open Sourcing Future Models

The speaker discusses the importance of safety in releasing future models and mentions the possibility of open sourcing them once they are ready. However, no specific timeline for this release is provided.

Safety Considerations

Similar to the debate around open sourcing Llama 2, future models will undergo rigorous assessment and red teaming processes to ensure safety.

No indication of when these models will be ready for release.

Contributions to AI Conversation and Learning from AI Personas

The speaker expresses gratitude for the positive reception of AI developments and emphasizes the value of learning through interaction with AI personas. They mention diverse use cases and potential societal learnings.

Contributing to AI Conversation

Open sourcing Llama 2 has contributed to an exciting conversation about AI.

Integration of personalized AI systems with AI personas allows exploration of failure cases, personalization levels, and societal preferences.

Learning from Interactions

The initial launch focuses on diverse use cases for people to try different things.

Examples include text-based adventure games, interacting with comedians or historical figures like Jane Austen and Marcus Aurelius.

Internet culture may influence how users interact with these systems, generating memes and pushing boundaries.

Learning Through Interaction at Scale

The speaker highlights the importance of learning through large-scale interaction with AI systems as we progress towards AGI (Artificial General Intelligence).

Learning Through Interaction

Large-scale interaction with AI systems helps society understand what works, what is too far, and the balance between personalization and generality.

The speaker mentions a platform called AI Studio that will enable anyone to create AI systems over time.

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The Unique Approach of Building a Comprehensive Digital Experience

In this section, Mark Zuckerberg discusses the unique approach of building a comprehensive digital experience and highlights the potential of their project.

Focusing on Fictional and Consumer-Oriented Character Type Stuff

Mark mentions that while there are people working on fictional or consumer-oriented character type stuff, their project goes beyond that.

They aim to build avatars with expressiveness and enable interactions across different apps.

The goal is to create profiles and engage people on platforms like Instagram and Facebook.

Creating an Immersive Experience

Mark expresses his excitement about creating an immersive experience where it feels like being in the same room with someone even though physically apart.

He believes that having intimate one-on-one conversations with anyone, regardless of physical distance, can have a profound impact on civilization.

This aligns with the concept of "meta" - giving people the ability to feel present with others through technology.

Combining Physical Presence with Digital Capabilities

Mark emphasizes that although they are not physically in the same place, they can convey a sense of almost physical presence through technology.

He believes that combining the physical world with the increasingly capable digital world can lead to powerful experiences.

This combination raises philosophical questions about the nature of reality in the modern world.

The Nature of Reality and Consciousness

In this section, Mark Zuckerberg and Lex Fridman discuss how our perception of reality may shift towards consciousness rather than solely relying on physical presence.

Shifting Perception of Reality

Lex suggests that what makes something real is not necessarily being in the same physical space but rather the subjective conscious experience.

They discuss breaking physics by focusing on consciousness as what truly feels real.

There are social and psychological benefits to feeling present with someone, even without physical proximity.

Intimacy and Communication

Mark highlights the intimacy, trust, and non-verbal communication that can be shared in a virtual environment.

Previously, these experiences would have required physical presence or travel.

By shortcutting the laws of physics, they aim to deliver social and psychological benefits to anyone in the world.

The Promise of the Metaverse

In this section, Mark Zuckerberg explains how their work on social networks has evolved over time and how the metaverse represents the next frontier.

Evolution of Social Networks

Mark reflects on his journey from text-based social networks to platforms like Facebook with photos and now towards building the metaverse.

They have been continuously expanding capabilities to create more human and social computing platforms.

The Power of Combining Physicality and Digital Innovation

Mark believes that the metaverse will be the most human and social computing platform ever created.

It combines powerful digital capabilities with our profound existence as physical beings.

He emphasizes the importance of not running away from physicality but rather shaping future computing platforms for a more powerful experience.

Social and Psychological Benefits of Virtual Presence

In this section, Mark Zuckerberg discusses how virtual presence can provide social and psychological benefits previously limited to physical presence.

Shortcutting Physical Limitations

Mark explains how virtual presence allows for sharing intimate moments, building trust, and experiencing non-verbal communication without being physically present.

These benefits were traditionally only possible through physical proximity or travel.

Profound Impact on Society

The ability to be virtually present with others is seen as a profound aspect of the metaverse's promise.

It opens up opportunities for global connections, deepening relationships, and transforming the way we interact with one another.

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The Next Frontier

In this section, the speaker discusses the next frontier in technology and expresses excitement about the future of photo-realism in the metaverse.

Excitement for Technological Advancements

The speaker believes that the next frontier is incredibly technologically difficult but sees it as an opportunity for their company to build new computing platforms and software stacks.

They express enthusiasm for pushing boundaries and building a better future.

The speaker appreciates the connection they have made through this conversation.

Future of Photo-realism in the Metaverse

The concept of photo-realism in the metaverse is highly exciting to the speaker.

They express gratitude towards Mark and the meta teams for their efforts in building this future.

The speaker acknowledges meeting engineers and other team members who contribute to creating this incredible experience.

Mind-blowing Experience

In this section, the speaker expresses their amazement at being inside the metaverse and thanks Mark for giving them such an incredible experience.

Mind-blowing Experience Inside Metaverse

The speaker expresses their mind being blown by being inside the metaverse during this conversation.

They humorously mention measuring their heart rate throughout, imagining themselves sitting on a beach while actually being in a conference room.

Despite not physically being on a beach or wearing pants, they appreciate the immersive experience provided by Mark.

Gratitude towards Mark

The speaker thanks Mark for taking time to talk with them inside the metaverse.

They consider it one of the most incredible experiences of their life and express gratitude for having had this opportunity.

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