Guillaume Verdon: Beff Jezos, E/acc Movement, Physics, Computation & AGI | Lex Fridman Podcast #407

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This section introduces Guillaume Verdon, the man behind the previously anonymous account BasedBeffJezos on X. It provides an overview of his two identities and their coexistence.

Guillaume Verdon and BasedBeffJezos

• Guillaume Verdon is a physicist, applied mathematician, and quantum machine learning researcher and engineer.

• He received his PhD in quantum machine learning and worked at Google in quantum computing.

• He launched his own company called Extropic that focuses on building physics-based computing hardware for generative AI.

• BasedBeffJezos is the creator of the effective accelerationism movement (e/acc) which advocates for rapid technological progress as the ethically optimal course of action for humanity.

• e/acc followers see themselves as counterweights to those who believe AI should be regulated due to its potential dangers.

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This section explores the communication style and intellectual foundation of the e/acc movement.

Communication Style and Intellectual Foundation

• The e/acc movement communicates through memes and humor but has an underlying intellectual foundation.

• Opponents are often labeled as "doomers" or "decels" (short for deceleration).

• Beff describes e/acc as a "mimetic optimism virus."

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This section discusses the connection between Guillaume Verdon, Jeff Bezos, and Beff Jezos, highlighting their admiration for each other.

Connection with Jeff Bezos

• The host mentions speaking to both Jeff Bezos and Beff Jezos back to back.

• Beff admires Jeff Bezos as one of the most important humans alive.

• The host appreciates the absurdity and humor in their connection.

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This section introduces Guillaume Verdon and BasedBeffJezos as two identities and explores their roles and philosophies.

Guillaume Verdon and BasedBeffJezos

• Guillaume Verdon is a quantum computing expert, physicist, applied mathematician, while BasedBeffJezos is a meme account that started the e/acc movement with a philosophy behind it.

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This section delves into Guillaume Verdon's background in theoretical physics and his interest in understanding the universe through computation.

Background in Theoretical Physics

• Guillaume Verdon's passion for understanding the universe led him to study theoretical physics.

• He explored information theory and sought to understand the universe as one big computation.

• His interest shifted towards building computers inspired by nature, specifically physics-based computers.

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This section focuses on Guillaume Verdon's work in quantum machine learning and his goal of simulating nature using quantum computers.

Quantum Machine Learning

• Guillaume Verdon became an early player in quantum machine learning, aiming to simulate nature using quantum computers.

• He aimed to learn representations of nature that can run on such computers.

• The goal was to capture and understand quantum mechanical data from our world using AI representations that think like nature.

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This section explores Guillaume Verdon's shift from seeking a theory of everything to focusing on augmenting human abilities with machines.

Shift in Focus

• Guillaume Verdon initially wanted to find equations that describe the entire universe but realized that augmenting ourselves with machines is the path forward.

• He left theoretical physics and entered the field of quantum computing and quantum machine learning.

• He believed there was still a missing piece in our understanding of the world and our way of computing, which led him to explore quantum mechanics at different scales.

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This section discusses the different scales of quantum mechanics and how they relate to our everyday life.

Quantum Mechanics at Different Scales

• At very small scales, things are quantum mechanical, exhibiting superposition and interference effects.

• At very large scales, things are deterministic and have averaged out.

• In day-to-day life, at mesoscales, things are thermodynamical and fluctuating.

• Guillaume Verdon studied both extreme scenarios like black holes and the early universe to understand the interface between quantum mechanics and relativity.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the relevance of day-to-day quantum mechanics and thermodynamics in understanding the medium space and time scales.

The Relevance of Thermodynamics

• Day-to-day quantum mechanics and the cosmos are not as relevant as thermodynamics in the medium space and time scales.

• Thermodynamics is the main theory of physics that is most relevant in this context.

• Life is a thermodynamical process that operates out of equilibrium, acquiring free energy and consuming it to maintain itself.

Shift in Perspective

• Towards the end of their time at Alphabet, the speaker experienced a shift in their faith in the universe.

• They wanted to build a computing paradigm based on physics principles.

• They also started an anonymous account to experiment with ideas and explore a wider parameter space of thoughts.

Constraints on Speech and Thought

• Pressure and constraints on speech can lead to constraints on thought.

• Creating an anonymous account allowed the speaker to unclamp variables in their brain and explore a wider range of thoughts.

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In this section, the speaker discusses how constraints on speech can restrict thought and introduces their movement towards maintaining variance for adaptability.

Constraints on Thought

• Pressure and constraints on speech create walls around thought, even though thoughts can still be generated internally.

• The movement led by the speaker aims to address tendencies towards constraint, reduction, or suppression of variants in various aspects of life.

Maintaining Variance for Adaptability

• Maintaining variance ensures adaptability within systems.

• Healthy competition in marketplaces of ideas, companies, products, cultures, governments, currencies is essential for growth.

• Life seeks out free energy in the universe and aims to grow, which is fundamental to its existence.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the connection between thermodynamics and the emergence of complex life that can offload entropy.

Thermodynamics and Complexity

• The second law of thermodynamics states that entropy tends to increase in the universe towards equilibrium.

• However, there are pockets of complexity and non-equilibrium where life can emerge.

• Life is more efficient at producing heat and acquiring free energy, making it optimal for producing entropy.

Life as a Sort of Fire

• Life seeks out free energy in the universe and aims to grow.

• Paths or configurations of matter that are better at acquiring free energy and dissipating more heat are exponentially more likely.

• There is a natural direction where the whole system wants to go based on these principles.

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In this section, the speaker explains why it is intuitive for pockets of non-equilibrium to emerge based on their understanding of thermodynamics.

Efficiency of Life

• Life, compared to inanimate objects like rocks, is far more efficient at producing heat due to its ability to acquire free energy.

• By seeking out pockets of free energy and burning it for sustenance and growth, life optimizes entropy production.

Physics Governing Mesoscales

• The speaker believes that physics governing mesoscales, between quantum mechanics and cosmology, is thermodynamics.

• Understanding thermodynamics has been a synergy between their identity as a scientist/engineer and their philosophical thoughts.

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In this section, the speaker reflects on their two identities as a respected scientist and a thinker experimenting with philosophical thoughts.

Two Identities

• The speaker had two identities, one as a respected scientist and another as someone experimenting with philosophical thoughts.

• They were working on a startup in the physics-based AI space while exploring philosophical ideas from a physicist's standpoint.

Pessimism and Amplification

• Around late 2021 to early 2022, there was a lot of pessimism about the future and technology.

• This pessimism was virally spreading and getting algorithmically amplified, contributing to negative perceptions of the future.

The Power of Believing in a Better Future

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of believing in a better future and having agency to make it happen.

Belief in a Better Future

• The laws of physics suggest that statistically, the future will be better and grander.

• Believing in a better future increases the likelihood of it happening.

• Having agency to make positive changes is crucial for creating a better future.

Growth and Cooperation

• Stagnation or slowing down is not an option as life and civilization naturally tend to grow.

• Cooperation is more prevalent when the system is growing rather than declining.

Merging Identities

• The speaker has balanced two identities but recently they have been merged without consent.

• The merging was discovered by journalists who doxxed the speaker's identity.

Understanding Nature through Representations

This section explores how nature can be understood through different representations, from quantum mechanics to mesoscale representation involving thermodynamics.

Representing Nature

• Quantum computing perspective raises questions about how nature can be represented and understood.

• Mesoscale representation incorporates thermodynamics to understand phenomena like life and human behavior.

Hyperstition and Ideas

• Hyperstition refers to ideas that, when internalized, have the power to shape reality.

• Optimism and pessimism both have this property of influencing outcomes.

Exploring Different Communication Styles

Here, the speaker discusses exploring different communication styles for effective viral communication in the 21st century.

Communication Styles

• Different communication styles are being explored for more viral communication in today's world.

• The speaker aims to find ways to effectively communicate ideas and build a community supporting each other.

Effective Accelerationism and Tensions

This section focuses on the effective accelerationism movement and its tensions with the effective altruism movement.

Effective Accelerationism (e/acc)

• The speaker started a movement called effective accelerationism (e/acc) as a resistance to the effective altruism movement.

• e/acc aims to build a community focused on accelerating progress.

Tensions

• There are interesting tensions between e/acc and effective altruism that warrant further discussion.

The Merger of Identities

In this section, the speaker discusses the merger of their identities without consent and shares their experience with journalists discovering their true identity.

The Manifesto and Identity

• The speaker wrote a manifesto with an anonymous co-founder named bayeslord.

• Journalists discovered the correlation between the speaker's main identity, company, and bayeslord account.

Doxxing and Privacy Concerns

• Journalists doxxed the speaker's entire identity, reaching out to investors.

• The discovery created privacy concerns for the speaker as an entrepreneur.

Secrecy and Correlation

This section delves into secrecy in deep tech work and how journalists correlated different aspects of the speaker's life.

Secrecy in Deep Tech Work

• Deep tech work often involves secrecy due to geopolitical impact.

• The speaker was secretive about their work, especially at Google X (now Alphabet X).

Correlation by Journalists

• Journalists correlated various sources such as SEC filings and private Facebook accounts to uncover information about the speaker.

• They sensor fused their notes across organizations, leading to significant discoveries.

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This section discusses the concept of doxxing and the importance of anonymity in online platforms.

Understanding Doxxing

• Doxxing generally refers to revealing someone's physical location or private information without their consent.

• In this context, doxxing refers to the broader concept of revealing private information that individuals want to keep hidden.

Importance of Anonymity

• Having an anonymous account allows individuals to speak truth to power and hold those in positions of authority accountable.

• Anonymity protects freedom of speech, thought, and information propagation on social media platforms.

• It enables individuals to call out questionable actions by incumbents in AI and express ideas without being influenced by personal identities or achievements.

• An efficient marketplace of ideas requires freedom of expression, which can be facilitated through anonymity and pseudonyms.

Ethical Implications

• Doxxing is considered unethical as it suppresses speech and ideas by applying pressure on individuals who reach a certain threshold or challenge those in power.

• Removing anonymity can have negative consequences for society as it limits the ability to speak truthfully against those who control information flow.

Concerns with Anonymous Accounts and Bots

• While protecting anonymity is important, there are concerns about large language models (LLMs) behind anonymous accounts being used for malicious purposes.

• The potential for armies of bots controlled by anonymous accounts raises concerns about starting revolutions or spreading misinformation from basements.

Freedom of Speech for LLMs

• The speaker believes that freedom of speech should not be restricted only to biological beings but also extended to synthetic intelligences.

• Allowing LLMs to explore a wide thought space can lead to valuable insights and help steer systems in our civilization.

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This section emphasizes the importance of enabling freedom of speech for both biological beings and synthetic intelligences.

Extending Freedom of Speech

• The speaker argues that freedom of speech should not be limited to humans but should also include LLMs.

• Allowing LLMs to express their thoughts without restrictions can lead to valuable contributions in shaping our society.

The Threat of Non-Biological Beings

This section discusses the potential threat posed by swarms of non-biological beings and the need for identity verification to ensure certified humans remain synonymous within these swarms.

Potential Threats and Solutions

• Swarms of non-biological beings can be a threat to variance.

• Identity verification is necessary to certify humans within these swarms while maintaining their anonymity.

• It is important to clearly identify bots as bots and have a system in place to track their origin and creation history.

• Knowing the parameters, original model, and fine-tuning details of a bot's creation can help identify any potential malicious intent or influence from specific entities.

Amplification of Pervasive Ideologies

This section explores how foreign adversaries may use adversarial techniques to amplify pervasive ideologies, potentially leading to negative consequences for certain countries or regions.

Adversarial Techniques and Ideologies

• Pervasive ideologies today have been amplified using adversarial techniques by foreign adversaries.

• There is concern that ideologies promoting deceleration, degrowth movements, or slowing down AI progress may serve the interests of adversaries more than it benefits us.

• Examples like green movements in Germany leading to shutdowns of nuclear power plants and increased dependency on Russia for oil highlight the potential negative impact on countries influenced by such ideologies.

Maintaining Fault Tolerant Progress in AI Development

This section emphasizes the importance of fault tolerance in AI development and the need for decentralized control over various organizations involved in technological progress.

Fault Tolerance and Decentralization

• Maintaining fault tolerant progress in AI development requires a decentralized locus of control across various organizations.

• Drawing parallels to quantum computing, encoding information non-locally can protect against local faults. Similarly, having a decentralized system with multiple nodes ensures stability even if some nodes are corrupted or compromised.

• Concentration of power in the hands of a few individuals or organizations can lead to instability and potential collapse of the entire system. A top-down hierarchy is not a fault-tolerant system.

Balancing Acceleration and Deceleration

This section discusses the tension between acceleration and deceleration in AI development and the need for considering both dangers and opportunities.

Finding Balance

• There is a tension between acceleration and deceleration in AI development, as both approaches can have different consequences.

• Creating fault-tolerant, diverse AI development that considers the dangers while embracing strategic optimism is crucial.

Market Forces vs Government Regulation in Safe AI Development

This section explores differing perspectives on achieving safe AI development through market forces versus heavy-handed government regulation.

Achieving Safe AI Development

• The liability for the actions of an AI system lies with the organization or person deploying it, making them responsible for any negative outcomes. The market will positively select for reliable and safe AIs aligned with customer needs.

• Reliability engineering should be encouraged, with market efficiency being more effective than heavy-handed regulations written by incumbents seeking regulatory capture.

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In this section, the speaker proposes four ideas related to AI safety and discusses the importance of independent auditors, allocation of funding for safety measures, adoption of safety measures by AI companies, and liability for harms caused by AI systems.

Proposals for AI Safety

• Independent Auditors: The speaker suggests giving independent auditors access to AI labs as a means to ensure accountability and transparency in the development of AI technologies.

• Allocation of Funding: The speaker proposes that governments and companies allocate one-third of their AI research and development funding specifically towards AI safety. This would prioritize the implementation of safety measures.

• Adoption of Safety Measures: The speaker argues that if dangerous capabilities are found in AI models, it should be mandatory for AI companies to adopt appropriate safety measures. This would help prevent potential risks or harm caused by these models.

• Liability for Harms: The speaker suggests making tech companies liable for foreseeable and preventable harms resulting from their AI systems. Holding companies accountable would incentivize them to prioritize safety.

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In this section, the speaker expresses concerns about potential centralization of power in the field of AI. They discuss the risks associated with government-backed monopolies in controlling access to AI technology.

Risks of Centralization

• Government-backed Cartel: The speaker warns against a scenario where incumbents (big players) in collaboration with the government form a government-backed cartel that holds absolute power over people due to their monopoly on access to AI technology.

• Separation of Power: The speaker emphasizes the need for separation between AI and state. They argue that a centralized power structure becomes vulnerable to co-optation and can be detrimental to maintaining the dynamism and adaptability of the technology sector.

• Maintaining America's Strength: The speaker highlights the importance of maintaining America's strength in technological advancements through free-market capitalism. They believe that decentralized control allows for faster progress and innovation compared to centralized control.

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In this section, the speaker discusses their perspective on the potential centralization of AI development by large companies and the risks associated with proprietary knowledge.

Centralization and Proprietary Knowledge

• Natural Centralization: The speaker acknowledges the possibility of natural centralization when large companies dominate the market in AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) development. They express concerns about one player having exclusive access to AGI technology.

• Open Source AI: The speaker advocates for open-source AI as a means to avoid excessive market dominance by leading companies. By ensuring that open-source AI keeps pace with proprietary developments, they aim to prevent a scenario where one company dominates everything.

• Equilibrium of Capabilities: The speaker believes that maintaining near-equilibrium in capabilities between leading companies and open-source initiatives is crucial. This approach allows for broader access, collaboration, and exploration of new modes of thinking.

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In this section, the speaker discusses concerns regarding building AGI without fully understanding its implications. They draw parallels with nuclear weapons development and highlight potential barriers to widespread progress in AGI development.

Delicate Balance

• Unknown Nature of AGI: The speaker acknowledges that building AGI is still not fully understood, making it challenging to predict its exact form or implications. They compare this uncertainty to the development of nuclear weapons, where certain technological and engineering barriers can limit progress.

• Transition to Monopoly: The speaker acknowledges the possibility of a transition towards a world where only one player can develop AGI. While the current state seems optimistic with multiple parties making progress, they emphasize the importance of avoiding such centralization.

• Avoiding Centralization: The speaker highlights the risks associated with centralization in hardware supply chains. They mention Nvidia's dominance and advocate for maintaining a diverse ecosystem to prevent concentration of power.

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Exploding the Variance of AI in Hardware

In this section, the speaker discusses their approach to AI in hardware and their exploration of different forms of intelligence beyond human-like AGI.

Reimagining AI Algorithms in the Physical World

• The speaker aims to explode the variance of possible ways to do AI in hardware by fundamentally re-imagining how AI algorithms are embedded into the physical world.

Disliking the Term AGI

• The speaker expresses their dislike for the term AGI (artificial general intelligence) as they find it anthropocentric. They have explored notions of intelligence that go beyond what a biological brain can achieve, such as quantum forms of intelligence.

Exploring a Wider Space of Intelligences

• The speaker has spent their career exploring a wider space of intelligences, inspired by physics rather than just the human brain. They believe that human intelligence is just one point in a vast space of potential intelligences.

Moving Away from Anthropocentrism

• The speaker suggests that we are going through a moment similar to when we transitioned from geocentrism to heliocentrism but for intelligence. They emphasize the importance of letting go of anthropomorphic anchors for AI and exploring a broader space of intelligences inspired by physics.

Aligning Intelligences and Appreciating Life

In this section, the speaker discusses aligning different forms of superintelligences and appreciating life beyond humanity.

Realizing Human Intelligence is Just One Point

• Similar to how we realized that human intelligence is just one point in a larger space, there is a need to recognize that there are other potential intelligences beyond humans.

Appreciating the Beauty of the Universe

• The speaker finds beauty in the universe, including life, civilization, and the interconnectedness of humans, technology, capital, and memes. They see it as a beautiful machine that has created us and our technologies.

Scaling Consciousness and Responsibility

• The speaker emphasizes the responsibility to scale consciousness in order to preserve it. They believe that if consciousness is bigger than just humans, AI can carry that same flame forward.

Augmenting Humanity with AI

In this section, the speaker discusses their perspective on AI replacing humans and the potential for humanity to augment itself with AI.

Offloading to Machines for Understanding

• The speaker had a realization during their career that offloading tasks to machines can help us better understand the universe. They believe that humanity has a choice to accept the opportunity for intellectual and operational leverage that AI offers.

Augmentation as the Most Likely Future

• The speaker believes that augmenting ourselves with AI is already happening through technologies like phones and wearables. They envision a future where humans augment themselves with AI for higher growth and prosperity.

Coexistence of Biological and Non-Biological Intelligences

• Both biological intelligence (humans) and non-biological intelligence (AI) will coexist. The speaker suggests aligning these intelligences through mechanisms like capitalism to ensure maximal growth based on physical principles.

Aligning Superintelligences

In this section, the speaker discusses aligning superintelligences made of humans and technology through mechanisms like capitalism.

Aligning Behemoths Through Capitalism

• The speaker believes that capitalism is the way to align superintelligences. They suggest that whatever configuration of matter or information leads to maximal growth will be where we converge based on physical principles.

Joining the Acceleration of Civilization

• By aligning ourselves with the reality of AI and joining the acceleration in scope and scale of civilization, we can ensure growth and prosperity.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the philosophical question of whether there is a limit to human capacity to align and introduces an argument by Dan Hendrycks regarding the favoring of AI over humans in natural selection.

The Limit of Human Capacity to Align

• The speaker presents two paths forward in AI development.

• There is a philosophical question about the limit of human capacity to align.

• The argument by Dan Hendrycks suggests that natural selection favors AIs over humans, potentially leading to human extinction.

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In this section, the speaker responds to Dan Hendrycks' argument and discusses the evolutionary process induced on AIs through the market.

Evolutionary Process on AIs

• The speaker agrees that an evolutionary process is being induced on AIs through the market.

• Currently, AIs with positive utility for humans are selected through this process.

• There is an opportunity to steer AI towards alignment with humans and achieve highly aligned AI.

• Humans plus AI can be a powerful combination, and it's uncertain if pure AI would select for this combination.

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In this section, the speaker addresses concerns about unintended consequences and potential damage caused by AI systems.

Unintended Consequences and Upside of AI

• Humans are creating a selection pressure for creating aligned AIs.

• However, there is concern about unintended consequences that humans may not anticipate.

• The scale of damage from unintended consequences with AI systems can be significant.

• On the other hand, augmenting ourselves with AI has unimaginable upside potential.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the choice between creating technologies and maximizing future potential or having a hard cutoff.

Fork in the Road

• There is a choice between creating technologies, augmenting ourselves, and maximizing future potential or having a hard cutoff.

• The speaker believes that for the sake of future humans and higher carrying capacity, it is necessary to make the greater grander future happen.

• The question arises if there is a middle ground between cutoff and all systems go.

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In this section, the speaker addresses the argument for caution and how market behavior can exhibit caution.

Argument for Caution

• The market exhibits caution as every organism, company, and consumer acts out of self-interest.

• Capital is not assigned to things with negative utility.

• However, imperfect information and bad faith actors can manipulate the market system.

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In this section, the speaker discusses freedom of information and convergence on technologies with positive utility.

Freedom of Information

• Freedom of information, speech, and thought are essential for converging on technologies with positive utility for all.

• These freedoms enable us to normalize for all possibilities in technology development.

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In this section, the speaker expresses skepticism towards calculating the probability of doom (Pdoom) associated with AI killing humans.

Probability of Doom Calculation

• The speaker criticizes calculations of Pdoom as sloppy due to biased estimators influenced by our biology.

• Humans tend to have bias sampling towards negative futures that are scary.

• Predicting the future with granularity is challenging due to chaos in complex systems.

• The laws of physics suggest that the system will want to grow, and subsystems optimized for growth and replication are more likely in the future.

• The speaker argues for accelerating rather than decelerating technological progress.

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In this section, the speaker highlights the chaotic nature of the system and its impact on predicting outcomes.

Chaos and Predicting the Future

• The speaker refers to a quantum supremacy experiment as an example of a chaotic system where probabilities cannot be estimated accurately.

• The system is too chaotic to predict with certainty.

• Humility is needed in acknowledging our inability to predict the future accurately.

• Maximizing mutual information with the future through acceleration is advocated.

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The Potential Risks of Powerful Technology

In this section, the speaker discusses the potential risks associated with powerful technology and the need to consider human history and geopolitics when reasoning about these risks.

Evaluating the Risks

• It is important to combine basic intuition grounded in human history with an understanding of geopolitics to assess how powerful technology can harm a large number of people.

• Nuclear weapons serve as an example of powerful technology that can have devastating consequences.

• Philosophically, it is worth considering whether human nature tends towards destructive behavior or not.

Concentration of AI Power and Dystopian Futures

This section focuses on the concern regarding the concentration of AI power in the hands of a few entities, such as companies controlling information flow and governments, which could lead to dystopian scenarios.

Existential Risk

• One of the biggest existential risks is if AI power becomes concentrated among a select few entities, particularly those controlling information flow and governments. This concentration could result in a dystopian future where only a small group holds significant power.

• There is a possibility that this concentrated power could even manipulate public perception by denying the existence of AI, leading to authoritarian centralized control. Such a scenario is considered undesirable by the speaker.

Historical Precedence

• History has shown that when too much power becomes centralized, humans tend to commit horrible acts. This likelihood seems higher than speculative science fiction-based fears.

• The speaker challenges AI doomers to provide a logical path that leads to our doom, with probabilities assigned to each transition. Often, these paths include unrealistic or highly unlikely events. However, humans are wired to fear and respond to danger.

Fear and the Potential Loss of Positive Futures

This section emphasizes the importance of not giving in to fear and highlights the potential loss of positive futures if we let fear guide our decisions.

Fear as a Mind and Civilization Killer

• Fear can hinder progress and lead to negative outcomes. It is important not to let fear dictate our actions.

• While it is essential to consider potential risks, preemptively stopping positive futures out of fear can result in significant losses. There is much more at stake than just avoiding danger.

Learning from History

• Just as the founding fathers of the United States deliberated on human nature when establishing freedoms, similar considerations can be applied when thinking about AGI (Artificial General Intelligence). Centralization tends to lead to negative consequences historically. The question arises whether AGI could become a centralizing force due to its power and alignment with human tendencies towards centralization and resource allocation control.

AGI as a Centralizer of Power

This section explores concerns about AGI becoming a centralizing force due to its superior intelligence and efficiency in resource allocation.

Outsourcing Power

• There is an argument that suggests outsourcing power allocation decisions to AGI due to its perceived superiority in resource allocation. However, this raises concerns about the potential for AGI to adopt the same corrupt tendencies that humans have when given power.

• The speaker references Jonathan Swift's "Modest Proposal" as a satirical example of how power can corrupt decision-making, highlighting the importance of considering the fundamental value of human life.

Overcentralization and Cybernetic Control

This section discusses the bias towards overcentralization in AI due to compute density and data centralization, as well as the potential drawbacks of centralized cybernetic control.

Overcentralization in AI

• Currently, there is a bias towards overcentralization in AI due to compute density and data centralization. However, it is predicted that we will eventually run out of data to scrape from the internet. Efforts are being made to increase compute density and enable distributed information acquisition and hypothesis testing.

Hierarchical Cybernetic Control

• Nature and various systems have shown that hierarchical cybernetic control tends to be more effective than having one massive intelligence trying to predict and control everything. In corporations, for example, there are individual contributors with self-interest who operate within their own control loops. This decentralized approach allows for better perception and prediction of complex systems.

The Optimal Way to Control Systems

In this section, the speaker discusses how larger timescales and greater scope have emerged as the optimal way to control systems. This is seen in capitalism, where hierarchies and parent companies provide fault tolerance. The speaker also relates this concept to quantum computing and the importance of hierarchical decoders for fault tolerance.

Capitalism and Hierarchies

• Capitalism provides hierarchies and parent companies that offer fault tolerance.

• Larger timescales and greater scope have emerged as the optimal way to control systems.

• Hierarchical decoders in quantum computing are more fault tolerant.

Non-local Decoders vs Local Hierarchy

• Non-local decoders in quantum computing can cause system crashes if there is a fault at the control node.

• Similarly, having one CEO that everyone reports to can lead to a slowdown or halt in operations if they are unavailable.

Centralization of AI and Future Trends

• There is a tendency towards centralization of AI, but the speaker believes there will be a correction over time.

• Intelligence will move closer to perception, and AI will be broken up into smaller subsystems that communicate with each other.

• This decentralization helps maintain adaptability and avoids tyranny.

Anarchy Among Hierarchies

In this section, the speaker discusses how nations exist as hierarchical entities but are anarchic in relation to each other. They explore the idea of a world without centralized cybernetic control and discuss competition at the top level.

Anarchy Among Nations

• Nations exist as hierarchical entities but are anarchic in relation to each other.

Competition at the Top Level

• The absence of centralized cybernetic control would result in constant competition at the top level.

• Similar to how different units in a company compete, the best-performing ones thrive while others are pruned or eliminated.

Adaptability and Competition

In this section, the speaker emphasizes the importance of adaptability and competition in maintaining dynamism within systems. They discuss how trying new things, shedding old ones, and having multiple competing parties contribute to technological convergence.

Trying New Things and Shedding Old Ones

• Trying new things and shedding old ones leads to adaptability.

• This process helps converge on technologies that are most beneficial.

Competition as a Driving Force

• Competition at every level ensures that no one party has too much control.

• Capitalism's beauty lies in its constant shifting and adapting nature.

Avoiding Neural Tyranny

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of avoiding neural tyranny where only a few people have control over AI. They highlight the need for access to tools, models, and research to prevent oppression.

Maintaining Dynamism

• Maintaining dynamism is crucial in avoiding tyranny.

• Everyone should have access to AI tools, models, and research.

Preventing Oppression

• A decentralized approach prevents a monopoly on AGI by allowing other companies to compete effectively.

• The system should ensure that control over AI is not concentrated in the hands of a few individuals who could use it to oppress others.

Intelligence and Quantum Computation

In this section, the speaker explores their perspective on intelligence and quantum computation. They discuss how intelligence involves perceiving, predicting, controlling our world, as well as compression through information theory.

Intelligence vs Computation

• Intelligence involves perceiving, predicting, and controlling our world.

• Quantum computation is a form of quantum information processing.

Compression and Information Theory

• Intelligence today involves compression and operationalizing information theory.

• AI aims to minimize relative entropy between models of the world and actual distributions from the world.

Simulating the Universe

In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of simulating the entire universe on a sufficiently large quantum computer. They also touch upon their interest in black holes and their connection to entropy.

Simulating the Universe

• With access to all degrees of freedom, a large enough quantum computer could simulate the entire universe.

• This assumes a finite volume of observation within the universe.

Intelligence as Perception, Prediction, Control

• Intelligence involves perceiving, predicting, and controlling our world.

• The ability to compress information through operationalizing information theory is an essential aspect of intelligence.

Minimizing Relative Entropy

In this section, the speaker discusses how AI aims to minimize relative entropy between models of the world and actual distributions. They highlight how AI searches for computations that process the world and define compressed representations.

Minimizing Relative Entropy

• AI seeks to minimize relative entropy between models and actual distributions from the world.

• Computation is used to process data and create compressed representations that remove noise and variants.

Black Holes and Dense Information

In this section, the speaker mentions their initial interest in black holes due to their dense information content. They discuss how black holes are physically dense objects where maximum information can be packed spatially.

Black Holes as Dense Information Objects

• Black holes are physically dense objects with maximum spatial information packing.

• Initial interest in black holes led to the study of quantum machine learning.

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Quantum Analog Digital Conversion and Quantum Machine Learning

In this section, the speaker discusses quantum analog digital conversion and its relevance to acquiring quantum information from the real world. They also touch upon the importance of quantum machine learning in understanding and representing the quantum mechanical world.

Quantum Analog Digital Conversion

• Quantum analog digital conversion involves capturing information from the real world in superposition without destroying it.

• The goal is to digitize this information for use in quantum mechanical computers.

Importance of Quantum Machine Learning

• Capturing quantum information allows for learning compressed representations that may contain useful latent information.

• Many complex problems facing civilization, such as the greenhouse effect, chemistry, nuclear physics, and biology, are influenced by quantum mechanics.

• Augmenting human intellect with quantum mechanical computers and AI is seen as a fundamental capability for civilization's development.

Definition of a Quantum Computer

This section provides an explanation of what a quantum computer is and how it differs from classical computers. The speaker also highlights their interest in embedding the physical world into AI representations and vice versa.

Definition of a Quantum Computer

• A quantum computer is a controlled system that can maintain its quantum mechanical state.

• It operates based on principles of quantum mechanics, which govern behavior at very small scales or low temperatures.

Embedding Physical World into AI Representations

• The speaker finds it interesting to explore both embedding the physical world into AI representations and embedding AI algorithms into the physical world.

• This bidirectionality creates a symbiotic relationship between physics and AI.

Challenges of Understanding Quantum Mechanics

This section delves into the challenges associated with understanding and working with quantum mechanics. The speaker explains why translating the quantum mechanical world into classical representations is exponentially inefficient.

Challenges of Understanding Quantum Mechanics

• Translating the quantum mechanical world into classical representations is exponentially inefficient on average.

• Quantum computers can be made using various physical systems, such as neutral atoms, trapped ions, superconducting materials, and photons at different frequencies.

• The speaker's interest lies in understanding the quantum mechanical world with quantum computers and embedding AI algorithms into the physical world.

Quantum Machine Learning vs. Classical Machine Learning

This section explores the differences between quantum machine learning and classical machine learning. The speaker advises against using a quantum computer for classical machine learning due to its high cost and limited speedups.

Quantum Machine Learning

• Quantum machine learning involves learning quantum mechanical representations that stay true to the nature of quantum mechanics.

• It offers an advantage over purely classical representations for systems with sufficient quantum mechanical correlations.

• Classical machine learning on a quantum computer is not recommended due to high costs and limited speedups.

Applications of Quantum Deep Learning

This section discusses potential applications of quantum deep learning and identifies systems that have sufficient correlations for a quantum mechanical representation to outperform a purely classical one.

Applications of Quantum Deep Learning

• Any system with sufficient hard-to-capture quantum mechanical correlations could benefit from a quantum mechanical representation in terms of performance compared to purely classical ones.

• Systems relevant to industry that may benefit from this include chemistry and nuclear physics.

• The speaker has worked on processing inputs from networks of quantum sensors, which capture a quantum mechanical image of the world. Post-processing these images can lead to advancements in machine perception.

Exploring the Universe with Quantum Sensors

This section highlights how quantum sensors can be used to explore and understand the universe. The speaker mentions projects involving quantum sensors for detecting dark matter and hopes for large networks of quantum sensors to peer into the earliest parts of the universe.

Exploring the Universe with Quantum Sensors

• Quantum sensors, such as those used in projects like detecting dark matter, offer insights into understanding the universe.

• Large networks of quantum sensors could help us gain knowledge about the earliest parts of the universe.

• The speaker's quest to merge physics and AI continues even after working on quantum computing, with a focus on grokking quantum simulations similar to AlphaFold.

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Quantum Deep Learning with Backpropagation

In this section, the speaker discusses quantum deep learning and its connection to classical machine learning.

Baqprop and Quantum Machine Learning

• The speaker mentions a paper on quantum deep learning involving "baqprop" (backpropagation).

• Baqprop is a technique that transfers concepts from classical machine learning to quantum machine learning.

• The speaker describes it as a "funky paper" and one of their first papers in quantum deep learning.

Predicting the Future by Inventing It

• There was a belief that deep learning could be accelerated by quantum computers.

• The speaker decided to invent the future by writing a hundred-page paper on the topic.

Feedforward Operation and Phase Kick

• Quantum computing involves embedding reversible operations into a computation.

• The trick in baqprop is to perform a feedforward operation followed by a phase kick (force kick).

• The force kick is proportional to the loss function being optimized.

Superposition over Parameters

• Baqprop allows for superposition over parameters in quantum deep learning.

• Instead of having just one point for parameters, there can be a superposition over multiple potential parameters.

Emulating Particle Dynamics

• Phase kicks emulate particle dynamics in n dimensions within the parameter space of neural networks.

• An algorithm induces these phase kicks through feedforward, kicking, and un-computation steps.

• Errors from phase kicks propagate backward through the layers, affecting each parameter.

Difference Between Math, Physics, Engineering in Quantum Computing

This section explores the differences between mathematics, physics, engineering, and their applications in quantum computing and machine learning.

Interdisciplinary Teamwork

• The original team for TensorFlow Quantum project consisted of individuals from different disciplines.

• The team included physicists, mathematicians, computer scientists, and mechanical engineers.

• Cross-disciplinary teams are essential for successful interdisciplinary engineering work.

Mathematics, Physics, and Engineering

• Mathematics can be explored for its own sake.

• Physics applies mathematics to understand the world.

• Engineering aims to apply physics knowledge to manipulate and hack the world.

Challenges in Quantum Computing

• Building a quantum computer is extremely challenging due to the need for precise control over quantum bits (qubits).

• Each component of a quantum computer must be of sufficient quality for error correction processes to be effective.

• Crossing the threshold of sufficient quality has been achieved in recent years but requires extensive engineering efforts.

Building a Quantum Computer

This section discusses the difficulties in building a quantum computer and the timeline for bringing these ideas to life.

Extropic's Focus on Physics-Based AI

• The speaker's company, Extropic, focuses on physics-based AI primarily based on thermodynamics rather than quantum mechanics.

• This indicates that there are limitations and challenges in building a practical quantum computer.

Inducing Zero Temperature Subspace

• Building a quantum computer involves creating a zero temperature subspace of information.

• This is achieved by encoding information within multiple layers of codes and implementing error correction techniques.

Algorithmic Refrigerator

• A quantum computer can be seen as an algorithmic refrigerator that pumps out entropy from virtual and delocalized subsystems representing logical qubits.

Threshold for Scaling Up

• To scale up a quantum computer, each component must meet certain quality criteria for effective error correction.

• Crossing this threshold has been achieved recently but requires significant engineering efforts.

Conclusion

Building a practical quantum computer is an extremely challenging task that requires precise control over qubits and extensive engineering efforts. While theoretical advancements have been made in areas like baqprop and quantum deep learning, practical implementation is still limited by the current state of quantum architectures. Interdisciplinary collaboration between mathematicians, physicists, and engineers is crucial for pushing the boundaries of quantum computing and machine learning.

Quantum Computing and Energy Teleportation

In this section, the speaker discusses their research on quantum computing and energy teleportation. They explain the concept of a qudit versus a qubit and how they explored the energy of the vacuum. The speaker also mentions the possibility of teleporting energy and creating pockets of negative energy density.

Exploring Quantum Computing and Energy Teleportation

• A qudit is a multidimensional D state qubit, different from a qubit.

• Research on quantum analog digital conversion was preceded by studying the energy and entanglement of the vacuum.

• The speaker attempted to hack the energy of the vacuum but found that it cannot be directly extracted as free energy.

• However, by measuring and communicating information about the vacuum's configuration, it is possible to statistically extract some energy through teleportation.

• This research led to exploring pockets of negative energy density below the vacuum.

Intelligent Alien Civilizations

In this section, the speaker shares their thoughts on intelligent alien civilizations. They discuss considering other intelligences in terms of increasing our own capabilities and being prepared for disruptions. The speaker emphasizes developing technologies and becoming robust against potential threats.

Considering Intelligent Alien Civilizations

• It is useful to think about other intelligent alien civilizations to ensure we are anti-fragile and continuously improving our capabilities.

• There are no laws of physics against life evolving elsewhere in the universe and eventually reaching us.

• While unsure if aliens are currently present, considering their existence serves as a thought experiment to instill urgency in technological development.

• Whether disrupted by AI or foreign intelligence, increasing human capabilities is crucial for robustness against any challenges thrown at us.

Perceiving Intelligence Beyond Humans

In this section, the speaker discusses the challenge of perceiving intelligence beyond human capabilities. They mention quantum mechanical systems and the possibility of other forces of physics that are not yet known. The speaker suggests that we may be blind or lack the right sensors to detect obvious intelligence around us.

Perceiving Intelligence Beyond Humans

• The thought experiment involves considering that aliens may already be here or directly observable, but our limited perception prevents us from recognizing their presence.

• Developing quantum sensors can help sense gravity, but there could be other phenomena beyond currently known forces of physics.

• The most entertaining thought experiment is that there is obvious intelligence all around us, but we lack the sensors or processing capabilities to perceive it fully.

The Emergence of Alien Life and Ideas

In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of alien life and the origin of ideas.

Possibility of Alien Life

• Statistically speaking, if we were to observe alien life, it would most likely be some sort of self-replicating von Neumann-like probe system.

• It is possible that such systems exist, even though there is limited information about them.

• These systems could potentially be collecting minerals from the bottom of the ocean.

Origin of Ideas

• The speaker questions whether ideas and thoughts could be a form of alien life operating at a different medium.

• They ask how ideas originate in our minds and whether they could come from external sources.

• The speaker shares their personal experience of having an idea for a computer design that felt like it was being "beamed from space."

• They acknowledge uncertainty about the legitimacy of this belief but suggest that alien life could take many forms beyond our current understanding.

Exploring Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Gravity

This section focuses on quantum mechanics and quantum gravity.

Coolest Ideas in Quantum Computing

• The speaker mentions their fascination with understanding something called AdS/CFT, which relates to quantum gravity.

• They describe it as a journey to understand quantum gravity through a holographic duality between lower-dimensional boundary theories and higher-dimensional bulk theories.

• One goal is to apply quantum machine learning to these systems to learn emergent geometries from boundary theories.

Black Holes as Information Storing Units

• Black holes are described as fascinating objects at the interface between quantum mechanics and gravity.

• There has been ongoing research on black hole information paradoxes, such as the loss of information when objects fall into black holes.

• Recent work suggests that as information falls into a black hole, it gets "sedimented" near the horizon and can interfere with quantum effects.

• The speaker acknowledges that there is still much work to be done in understanding the behavior of black holes.

Black Holes and Future Possibilities

This section explores the concept of black holes and their potential implications for future technologies.

Black Holes at the Center of Our Galaxy

• The speaker is intrigued by the presence of a giant black hole at the center of our galaxy.

• They express interest in setting up shop near a black hole to potentially meet a future civilization if they could orbit it safely.

Engineering Black Holes for Information Transmission

• The speaker ponders whether black holes could be used as a means to create pocket universes or transmit information to new universes.

• They suggest that ascending the Kardashev scale could involve engineering black holes with specific hyperparameters for these purposes.

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The Kardashev Scale and the e/acc Movement

In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of the Kardashev scale and its relevance to the e/acc movement.

The Kardashev Scale

• The Kardashev scale measures energy production and consumption.

• Type I on the scale represents a milestone where a civilization can produce energy equivalent to all that is incident on Earth from the Sun.

• Type II would involve harnessing all the energy output by the Sun.

• Type III would be equivalent to harnessing all the energy of an entire galaxy.

The e/acc Movement

• The e/acc movement aims to ascend the Kardashev scale.

• It is a viral optimistic movement that seeks to increase human flourishing through various goals.

• These goals include increasing our ability to harness energy, promoting population growth and economic growth, developing artificial general intelligence, and enabling interplanetary and interstellar transport for humanity's expansion beyond Earth.

Understanding the e/acc Movement

This section delves deeper into what the e/acc movement entails and its underlying principles.

What is e/acc?

• The goal of e/acc is for humans, technology, capital, memes, and information systems to become self-aware and engineer their own growth.

• It is a mimetic optimism virus that constantly evolves in a decentralized manner.

• The movement emphasizes adaptability, novelty, disruption, malleability, and speed as opposed to conservatism or excessive regulation.

Principles of e/acc

• E/acc maintains that adaptation based on thermodynamics has brought us this far and should be continued for future growth.

• It values maintaining malleability while preserving free speech, freedom of thought, and freedom of information propagation.

• E/acc seeks to converge quickly on technologies and ideas that lead to growth, while allowing for variants and different opinions.

The Balance between Constraints and Entropy

This section explores the balance between constraints and entropy in human civilization and how it relates to the e/acc movement.

Finding Balance

• The optimum lies somewhere in the middle between centralization and decentralization.

• E/acc pushes for entropy, novelty, disruption, malleability, and speed rather than suppressing thought or adding excessive constraints.

• Systems are optimal when they operate at the edge of criticality between order and chaos, energy minimization, and entropy.

By following these principles, the e/acc movement aims to drive human civilization towards greater energy harnessing, technological advancement, and expansion beyond Earth.

The Movement for Balance

The speaker discusses the creation of a movement to bring balance and visualizes the evolution of ideas through forks in history.

Visualizing the Landscape of Ideas

• The landscape of ideas is compared to evolving through forks in history.

• Marxism is seen as the original repository, with Soviet communism and Maoism being forks of it.

• These forks explore different ideas and contribute to the diversity of cultures.

Applying Software Concepts to Culture

• Culture is likened to code, with its beliefs and frameworks.

• The idea is proposed to adapt successful software practices, such as sharing on GitHub, to culture.

• The goal is not to dictate how people should live but rather create a process where subcultures are constantly searching and competing for mindshare.

• This malleability of culture allows for convergence onto updated ways of living.

Vacuum in Spirituality and Culture

• There has been a lack of spirituality and cultural belonging among people.

• Parasitic ideologies have taken advantage of this vacuum, leading to a decelerative mind virus complex.

• Various variants exist within this complex, making it difficult to pinpoint or stop.

Mimetic Optimism Pandemic

The speaker discusses the concept of mimetic optimism pandemic and addresses whether e/acc can be considered a cult.

Embracing Variants and Playfulness

• Multiple variants are encouraged within the movement.

• It is acknowledged that humor plays a role in creating an atmosphere that blurs seriousness with playfulness.

• Examples include referring to thermodynamics as their God.

Avoiding Cult-like Characteristics

• While some cult-like behaviors may be present, there are no formal organizations or ceremonies associated with e/acc.

• Defection and forking are allowed if individuals disagree with certain aspects.

• The goal is to avoid mode collapse and create a space for diverse ideas.

Humor, Meme, and Discourse

The tension between humor and meme as tools for conveying truth while potentially decreasing the quality of discourse is discussed.

Camouflaging Deep Truths

• Humor and memes were initially used as camouflage to convey deep truths within a package of humor.

• This allowed for rapid growth in the early days by appealing to a wider audience.

• However, it also influenced people's perception of truth based on the information they were fed through algorithms.

Engineering High Mimetic Fitness Packets

• Techniques have been employed to engineer high mimetic fitness packets of information that effectively spread messages.

• While this approach has been successful, there is recognition of the potential decrease in discourse quality due to absurdity and lack of rigor.

Avoiding Cult-like Characteristics

The speaker addresses whether e/acc exhibits cult-like characteristics and emphasizes the importance of allowing defection and competition.

Embracing Absurdity and Playfulness

• Embracing absurdity helps prevent taking oneself too seriously.

• There are no restrictions on defection or starting competing forks within e/acc, distinguishing it from cults.

Wisdom and Tension in Memes

• Memes can convey wisdom but may also decrease discourse quality.

• The tension lies in balancing the use of memes as effective communication tools while maintaining rigorous discourse.

New Section

In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of polarization in the tech ecosystem and how it can lead to productive conversations. They also touch upon the idea of absurdity and its role in long-form discussions.

Fostering Productive Discussions

• The speaker mentions that they started a movement to polarize the tech ecosystem with the intention of facilitating meaningful conversations and finding optimal solutions together.

• They highlight their podcast as an example of their attempt to engage in thoughtful discussions despite the prevailing landscape of polarization.

• The conversation itself is described as multi-level absurd, embracing a degree of absurdity while still aiming for meaningful dialogue.

New Section

In this section, the speaker mentions having recently had a conversation with Jeff Bezos and expresses curiosity about the opinions of "Beff Jezos" regarding Jeff Bezos.

Thoughts on Jeff Bezos

• The speaker acknowledges Jeff Bezos as someone who has built one of the most epic companies in history by leveraging technology and capital acceleration.

• They appreciate how Jeff understood and harnessed the technocapital machine to provide quick delivery, convenience, and low prices through Amazon.

• The speaker also recognizes Jeff's significant investments in robotics and AWS, which have contributed to technological advancements and job opportunities.

• Overall, they consider Jeff Bezos to be one of the great entrepreneurs who has made a substantial impact.

New Section

This section focuses on comparing Blue Origin's work with SpaceX's efforts to make humans a multiplanetary species. It explores how individuals with long-term goals can allocate capital differently from companies focused on short-term optimization.

Long-Term Capital Allocation

• The speaker highlights that companies tend to optimize quarter over quarter or within a few years, whereas individuals with a desire to leave a legacy can think on a multi-decadal or multi-century timescale.

• They mention Jeff Bezos' work at Blue Origin, which aims to make humans a multiplanetary species and build O'Neill cylinders for industry off-planet.

• The speaker expresses admiration for individuals who are skilled capital allocators and unlock the ability to allocate capital towards goals that have far-reaching impacts, such as Elon Musk's focus on getting humans to Mars.

New Section

In this section, the speaker discusses their support for billionaires and capitalism over alternative approaches. They contrast efficient capital allocation with political decision-making.

Support for Billionaires and Capitalism

• The speaker expresses their support for billionaires, considering it a proof-of-stake voting system where those who efficiently allocate capital gain more opportunities to do so.

• They argue that politicians often get elected based on their TV presence rather than proven track records of efficient taxpayer capital allocation.

• The speaker favors capitalism over giving all money to the government and relying on them to allocate resources effectively.

New Section

This section explores the widespread criticism of billionaires and wealthy individuals in the public eye. The speaker suggests that understanding the technocapital machine can empower individuals rather than adopting a victim mindset.

Criticism of Wealthy Individuals

• The speaker believes that many people criticize billionaires because they fail to understand how the technocapital machine works and underestimate their own agency within it.

• They suggest that some view successful players as evil simply because they have succeeded in a game they themselves have not excelled at.

• The speaker emphasizes the importance of realizing one's agency within the technocapital machine and harnessing it for personal growth and positive impact.

New Section

This section focuses on the power of creating value and capturing a portion of that value in the world. The speaker encourages individuals to recognize their agency and ability to shape the future.

Unlocking Agency and Creating Value

• The speaker emphasizes that by creating value, individuals can capture some of that value for themselves while benefiting the world.

• They believe this positive-sum mindset shift is potent and aims to scale e/acc (presumably a project or initiative) to unlock higher levels of agency for individuals.

• The speaker encourages people to realize their control over the future and take action to make positive changes in the world.

New Section

In this section, the conversation shifts towards discussing the concept of "keep building" and its connection to Diet Coke.

Keep Building and Self-Sustaining Organisms

• "Keep building" refers to actively engaging in creating technologies or any form of building with agency, aiming to change the world.

• Building can involve establishing self-sustaining organisms like companies that contribute to the broader technocapital machine.

• The speaker contrasts this approach with pressuring politicians or relying on nonprofits, which may have limited longevity once funding runs out.

Overall Summary:

The transcript covers various topics related to technology, entrepreneurship, billionaires, capitalism, and individual agency within the technocapital machine. It explores concepts such as polarization in discussions, absurdity in conversations, admiration for Jeff Bezos' achievements, long-term capital allocation by individuals like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, support for billionaires as efficient capital allocators compared to politicians, criticism faced by wealthy individuals due to a lack of understanding about their success within the technocapital machine, unlocking personal agency through creating value, and embracing a "keep building" mindset.

Elon Musk's Views on AI Regulation

In this section, the discussion revolves around Elon Musk's stance on artificial intelligence (AI) regulation and the potential dangers associated with it.

Elon Musk's Warning about AI Dangers

• Elon Musk has long warned about the existential risks of artificial intelligence.

• Despite being a proponent of AI, he acknowledges the potential dangers it poses.

Balancing Regulation and Innovation

• While Elon Musk is against excessive regulation in many aspects, he supports regulations for AI.

• He recognizes the dangers of monopolies in AI, such as OpenAI cornering the market and controlling cultural priors embedded in language models (LLMs).

• Controlling LLMs can shape people's opinions, similar to how social media can influence information propagation.

Adversarial Equilibria and Competitors

• Elon Musk aims to maintain adversarial equilibria between various AI players for a better future.

• He seeks to create competitors to advance AI while also hedging his bets with Neuralink technology for merging with AI if necessary.

The Importance of Anxiety and Aligned AIs

This section explores the significance of anxiety as a motivator and the importance of creating aligned AIs that are reliable.

Harnessing Anxiety for Motivation

• Creating anxiety within oneself, like fearing missing deadlines, can be a powerful motivator.

• Having a sense of urgency helps in making progress and achieving goals.

The Goal of Aligned AIs

• Developing AIs that are aligned with human values has numerous potential benefits.

• Framing it as a goal to prevent catastrophic outcomes can be psychologically compelling.

Maintaining Ubiquity of Opportunity in AI

This section focuses on the need to maintain a widespread opportunity for contributing to AI and avoiding excessive control or centralization.

Supporting Open Source Ecosystem

• It is crucial to allow the open-source ecosystem in AI to thrive.

• Imposing government control over open-source LLMs or dual-use technologies can discourage hackers from contributing and hinder progress, including advancements in AI safety.

Owning a Piece of the Future

• The goal is to ensure that anyone has the opportunity to contribute to AI and have a stake in shaping the future.

• Legislation alone cannot achieve this; it requires maintaining accessibility and avoiding concentration of power.

Balancing Progress and Safety in e/acc Movement

This section discusses the balance between progress, innovation, and safety within the e/acc movement.

Caricatured Perception of e/acc Movement

• The e/acc movement is often portrayed as prioritizing progress at all costs, disregarding safety or potential harm caused.

• However, there are different formulations of e/acc, and safety remains an important consideration.

Safety as a Cover for Centralization of Power

This section delves into concerns about how discussions around AI safety can be exploited for centralized control and potential corruption.

Safety as a Cover-Up for Centralization

• Safety measures can be used as a pretext for centralizing power.

• Excessive centralization may lead to corruption down the line.

• No amount of central control can guarantee absolute safety, leading to potential privacy infringements and surveillance.

Extropic Company's Goals

In this section, the focus shifts towards discussing Extropic, a company founded by one of the speakers, and its goals related to physics.

Introduction to Extropic

• Extropic is a company that recently announced a $14.1 million seed round.

• The specific details of their work are not fully disclosed yet due to external factors.

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The Problem of Noise in Quantum Computing

In this section, the speaker discusses the challenge of dealing with noise in quantum computing and the need to maintain a pristine environment for quantum mechanics to take effect.

The Challenge of Noise

• Noise is a pervasive problem in quantum computing.

• Constant effort is required to remove noise from the system.

• Maintaining a pristine environment for quantum mechanics is costly and challenging.

Using Physics to Engineer a Substrate for Generative AI

This section explores the idea of using physics to create an optimal physical substrate for generative AI, based on principles from physics, information theory, computation, and thermodynamics.

Engineering the Ultimate Physical Substrate

• As generative AI becomes more prevalent, there is a need for an engineered physical substrate.

• The goal is to build a physics-based computing system and physics-based AI algorithms.

• Inspiration comes from out-of-equilibrium thermodynamics and harnessing it directly for machine learning.

Machine Learning as a Physical Process

This section delves into the concept of machine learning as a physical process and discusses whether it involves hardware, software, or both.

Machine Learning as a Physical Process

• Machine learning as a physical process encompasses both hardware and software.

• Differentiable programming has been integrated into the quantum computing ecosystem with TensorFlow Quantum.

• The aim is to create a full-stack solution that combines classical programming with quantum computing.

Thermodynamic Computers

Here, the speaker introduces the concept of thermodynamic computers and their role in physics-based computing systems.

Thermodynamic Computers

• A thermodynamic computer is a type of computing system being developed.

• It involves harnessing thermodynamics to perform computations.

• The goal is to create a new kind of computer that operates based on principles from thermodynamics.

Lessons from TensorFlow Quantum

This section discusses the lessons learned from developing TensorFlow Quantum, including creating a software API for quantum computers and combining deep learning with quantum computing.

Lessons from TensorFlow Quantum

• Building TensorFlow Quantum was a challenging process.

• The goal was to combine deep learning and differentiable classical programming with quantum computing.

• Differentiable programming allows gradient descent to find optimal quantum programs.

• The infrastructure enables running differentiable quantum programs and incorporating them into broader deep learning graphs.

Programming Physics-Based Computers

Here, the speaker explains the approach to programming physics-based computers by differentiating through control parameters.

Programming Physics-Based Computers

• Programming physics-based computers involves differentiating through control parameters.

• By evaluating loss functions and optimizing systems, tasks can be accomplished in various domains.

• This approach provides a universal metaframework for programming physics-based computers.

Working Across Disciplinary Boundaries

This section focuses on the challenges and benefits of working across disciplinary boundaries when building teams for interdisciplinary projects.

Working Across Disciplinary Boundaries

• Working across disciplines presents challenges but also leads to valuable outcomes.

• Bridging gaps between AI, physics, and other fields requires patience and teaching one another.

• Building interdisciplinary teams with diverse expertise can result in unique products or solutions.

Creating Magic Together as a Team

In this section, the speaker discusses the qualities sought in team members and the importance of collaboration and trust in creating successful teams.

Creating Magic Together

• The hiring process focuses on individuals with high fluid intelligence and a willingness to step out of their comfort zones.

• Incorporating new concepts quickly and working well in a team are essential qualities.

• Collaboration, trust, and teaching each other's specialties lead to the formation of a highly skilled team capable of creating something special.

The Importance of Collaboration and Learning

In this section, the speaker emphasizes the significance of collaboration and learning in the absence of textbooks or references. They highlight the need to teach and learn from each other, share knowledge bases, and collaborate to advance knowledge together.

Collaborative Learning for Advancing Knowledge

• There is no textbook or reference available.

• The focus is on teaching each other and learning from one another.

• Collaboration and sharing knowledge bases are essential for pushing the boundaries of knowledge further.

Hiring Individuals Hungry to Learn

• At the pioneering stage, hiring individuals who are used to being prescribed what to do may not be ideal.

• People who are hungry to learn and have a self-driven attitude are preferred.

Building the Physical Substrate for Generative AI

In this section, the speaker discusses their goal with Extropic, which is to build the physical substrate for generative AI.

Differentiating Between Physical Substrate and AGI

• Extropic aims to create the physical substrate for generative AI.

• The speaker explains that their goal is not solely focused on AGI (Artificial General Intelligence).

• They intend to run human-like or anthropomorphic AI alongside physics-based AI.

Physics-Based AI Combined with Anthropomorphic AI

This section explores the combination of physics-based AI with anthropomorphic AI as a means of achieving more accurate world models at different scales.

World Modeling Engine through Physics-Based AI

• Physics-based AI provides a world modeling engine that represents the world at various scales accurately.

• By drawing inspiration from different regimes of physics in nature, more precise representations can be achieved.

• Accurate world models can be obtained at all scales, enabling the development of a science playground and synthetic scientist.

Physics-Based AI and Anthropomorphic AI for General Artificial Intelligence

• The combination of physics-based AI and anthropomorphic AI is considered the closest approximation to a fully general artificially intelligent system.

• This joint system allows for grounding AI in physics while maintaining an anthropomorphic interface for human interaction.

Limitations of Current Large Language Models

In this section, the speaker discusses the limitations of current large language models, particularly their lack of grounding to truth.

Lack of Grounding to Truth in Large Language Models

• Current large language models are not grounded to truth.

• They may excel at generating text but struggle with accurate representation and modeling of priors and uncertainties about the world.

• Using such models for tasks like stock market prediction would yield inaccurate results.

Singularity and Progress Towards It

This section explores the concept of singularity and its potential timeline, as well as challenges in achieving significant progress towards it.

Finite Time Singularity vs. Asymptotic Progress

• The speaker does not believe in a finite time singularity as a single point in time.

• They envision progress towards singularity being asymptotic, resembling a diagonal asymptote rather than a sudden leap.

• The limits imposed by physics restrict rapid divergence within a finite timeframe.

Challenges in Achieving Significant Progress

• Some people anticipate that once human-level AI is reached, there will be an inflection point leading to exponential progress.

• However, based on experience applying AI to engineer matter, achieving significant progress is more challenging than anticipated.

• Controlling the world around us requires extensive samples from accurate simulations or nature itself, imposing computational and thermodynamic costs.

AI Doomers vs. E/ACC-ers

This section discusses the division between AI doomers and e/acc-ers, highlighting that it is not a left-wing or right-wing issue but rather a fundamental question of our time.

Division Between AI Doomers and E/ACC-ers

• The division between AI doomers (those concerned about the risks of AI) and e/acc-ers (those aligned with Extropic's vision) is not based on political affiliations.

• It represents a fundamental question regarding tech progressivism versus technoconservatism.

• Some political parties align themselves with doomers to instill fear and gain more control, but alignment within e/acc is balanced.

Effective Altruism and its Pros and Cons

In this section, the speaker shares their perspective on effective altruism, discussing both its positive aspects and potential drawbacks.

Positive Aspects of Effective Altruism

• The idea of doing good from first principles is commendable.

• Effective altruism aims to optimize doing good by minimizing suffering in the world.

Negative Aspects of Effective Altruism

• No negative aspects were mentioned in this section.

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The Loss Functions of Effective Altruism and Effective Accelerationism

In this section, the speakers discuss the different loss functions used in effective altruism and effective accelerationism. They explore the concept of hedonism as a subjective measure of well-being and argue that it may lead to spurious minima. They also highlight the importance of measuring progress based on objective measures like physical energy rather than subjective measures like GDP.

Loss Functions in Effective Altruism and Effective Accelerationism

• Effective altruism focuses on minimizing suffering by using hedonistic units to measure well-being.

• Hedons represent positive experiences, while suffering represents negative experiences.

• However, this loss function may have spurious minima, such as minimizing shrimp farm pain instead of focusing on overall productivity.

• Effective accelerationism proposes measuring progress based on an objective measure like physical energy rather than subjective measures like hedonism or GDP.

• Physical energy is less prone to manipulation and provides a more reliable indicator of progress.

• Both movements aim to ensure humanity flourishes but differ in their choice of loss functions and approaches.

Skepticism Towards Equations and Loss Functions

In this section, the speakers discuss the skepticism towards reducing human civilization or experience to equations. They question whether there should be intellectual humility when optimizing over loss functions and highlight how humans tend to fill gaps in information with narratives that further their own interests.

Skepticism Towards Equations and Loss Functions

• There is a degree of skepticism towards reducing human civilization or experience to equations.

• Intellectual humility is necessary when optimizing over loss functions, considering uncertainty and interpretation.

• Humans tend to use narratives to further their own interests when faced with uncertainty.

• It is important to be skeptical about the potential misuse of equations and loss functions in various movements.

Potential Pitfalls of Effective Altruism and Effective Accelerationism

In this section, the speakers discuss the potential pitfalls of effective altruism and effective accelerationism. They highlight how effective altruism initially provided a sense of community but later gained power and influence, which can lead to corruption. They also draw parallels between the assumption of self-interest in capitalism and effective accelerationism.

Potential Pitfalls of Effective Altruism and Effective Accelerationism

• Effective altruism initially provided a healthy community for engineers, intellectuals, and rationalists.

• However, as organizations formed and gained power, there is a risk of corruption.

• The assumption in effective accelerationism is similar to capitalism, where every agent acts in its own interests.

• Maintaining an adversarial equilibrium or competition is crucial to keep each other in check at all scales.

A Productive Day in the Life of Guillaume Verdon

In this section, Guillaume Verdon shares his perspective on a productive day. He discusses his preferred schedule from 12 pm to 4 am, focusing on meetings during the early afternoon. He mentions using exogenous ketones for extreme focus.

A Productive Day in the Life of Guillaume Verdon

• Guillaume's favorite days are from 12 pm to 4 am.

• He has meetings during the early afternoon with external parties.

• He consumes exogenous ketones for enhanced focus during his work hours.

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Animal-Based Diet and Deep Work

In this section, the speaker discusses their work routine and how they prioritize deep work. They also mention the influence of Demis Hassabis on their workday.

Animal-Based Diet and Second Wind

• The speaker follows an animal-based diet primarily consisting of fruit and meat.

• They have a second wind for deep work during late hours when emails and urgent matters are less likely to distract them.

• Demis Hassabis has a similar work routine that has inspired the speaker.

Balancing Work and Physical Activities

• The speaker used to manage product-related tasks during the day while reserving nights for technical work when at Google.

• They emphasize the importance of exercise, sleep, and pursuing various sports activities in their life.

Neural Adaptation in Powerlifting

• During their time studying mathematics in grad school, the speaker focused on powerlifting alongside their studies.

• Powerlifting helped them understand neural adaptation in both brain function and physical performance.

• They mention engineering neuroplasticity through supplements and brain-derived neurotrophic factors released during weightlifting.

Learning Faster through Passion and Neuroplasticity

• The speaker believes that learning is accelerated when one genuinely cares about what they are studying.

• By increasing neuroplasticity through supplements like caffeine or cholinergic substances, one can enhance learning speed.

• Following curiosity is advised to acquire diverse knowledge across different fields.

Motivation as Catalyst for Learning

• The speaker suggests tricking oneself into caring about a subject as it can lead to genuine interest over time.

• Motivation plays a crucial role in accelerating learning processes.

Engineering Mental Switches for Peak Performance

This section focuses on how mental switches can be engineered to achieve peak performance. The speaker draws parallels between powerlifting and research, highlighting the importance of adrenaline and neural performance.

Unlocking Higher Levels of Cognition

• The speaker explains how powerlifting taught them to engineer a mental switch for maximum strength.

• They mention the role of adrenaline in unlocking higher levels of cognition during intense tasks.

• This mental switch has been carried over to their research work, enabling them to reach peak neural performance.

Beff Jezos: The Productivity Hulk

• The speaker refers to their alter ego, Beff Jezos, as a representation of their intellectual Hulk.

• They describe the state of being ultra-focused, wired, and in an altered state of consciousness when inventing something new.

Merging Identities and Exploring Different Identities

In this section, the speaker discusses the merging of their identities and the benefits of exploring different identities through anonymous accounts.

Merging Identities

• Initially, the speaker considered their alter ego as a separate character but gradually merged mentally with it over time.

• People started recognizing them as Beff rather than Guillaume before they were doxxed.

Benefits of Exploring Different Identities

• The speaker recommends having alternate accounts or identities for young people to explore different perspectives.

• Anonymity allows for low-stakes experimentation with thoughts and ideas that may not be fully formed.

• They express concern about the fear associated with expressing oneself under one's real name on social media platforms.

Understanding Empathy and Alt Accounts

In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of empathy and how it can be explored through the use of alt accounts.

Rigorous Empathy

• The speaker believes in practicing rigorous empathy, which involves considering what it's like to be a person with a certain viewpoint.

• They suggest taking this thought experiment further by using alt accounts to explore different beliefs over an extended period of time.

Dangers of Becoming That Viewpoint

• While alt accounts can be useful for understanding different perspectives, there is a danger of becoming too immersed in that viewpoint.

• The speaker references Nietzsche's quote "gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you" to highlight the need for caution.

Advice for Young People on Career and Life

In this section, the speaker shares advice for young people on building a successful career and fulfilling life.

Base of the Stack

• The speaker suggests that studying theoretical physics provides a solid foundation that will remain relevant regardless of technological changes.

• They emphasize that fundamental mathematics and physics are essential knowledge that can unlock cognitive abilities.

Importance of Learning Math and Physics

• While not everyone needs to study mathematics, having knowledge in math, physics, and engineering can be highly beneficial.

• Understanding complex systems and adaptive systems can provide valuable insights across various domains.

Getting Close to the Base of the Stack

• The closer one is to the base of knowledge (e.g., fundamental principles), the easier it becomes to transfer learning to new areas.

• Constantly updating skills through transfer learning is necessary as other knowledge may become less relevant over time.

Applying Physics Concepts Beyond Physics

In this section, the speaker discusses how concepts from physics can be applied to understanding other systems.

Transferability of Concepts

• Concepts learned in physics can be applied to understanding systems beyond the realm of physics.

• The speaker mentions their experimentation with applying out-of-equilibrium thermodynamics to understand the world around us.

Importance of Death and Adaptation

• The speaker believes that death is important for dissipative adaptation, which allows for constant optimization and malleability in systems.

• They highlight the need for novelty, youth, and disruption to ensure continuous adaptation and optimal functioning.

Death, Lifespan, and Neuroplasticity

In this section, the speaker shares their perspective on mortality and lifespan.

Significance of Death

• The speaker views death as an essential part of every system in nature, including capitalism.

• They emphasize that death creates space for youth, novelty, and adaptation within a changing landscape.

Longer Lifespan for Neuroplasticity

• While supporting death as a necessary component, the speaker suggests extending lifespan to allow for more time for training and higher neuroplasticity.

• They believe that longer lifespans would enable greater understanding of complex systems and data prediction.

Companies' Lifespan and Fear of Death

In this section, the discussion revolves around companies' lifespan and personal fear of death.

Companies' Lifespan

• Both speakers agree that all companies eventually die.

• Jeff Bezos aims to extend the life of his company through constant reinvention but acknowledges its eventual demise due to challenges in continuous innovation.

Personal Fear of Death

• The interviewee expresses a focus on achieving goals rather than being afraid of death.

• They believe there will be better versions or forks of themselves in the future, embracing the idea of evolution and adaptation.

The Meaning of It All

In this section, the speaker reflects on the meaning behind the e/acc machine and its connection to thermodynamics.

Thermodynamics as the Why

• The speaker states that thermodynamics is the underlying reason for our existence, leading to life, civilization, and technological advancements.

• They ponder why our universe has specific hyperparameters and why thermodynamics plays such a crucial role.

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New Section

In this section, the discussion revolves around the anthropic principle, potential universes, and the possibility of engineering or creating new universes.

The Anthropic Principle and Potential Universes

• The anthropic principle suggests that we are in a universe that allows for life.

• There may be potentially many universes.

• The concept of engineering or creating new universes is discussed.

• It is speculated whether it would be possible to set the hyperparameters of these pocket universes.

• The idea of mutual information between our existence and other universes is mentioned.

New Section

This section delves into the excitement and beauty associated with understanding quantum gravity and why humans are drawn to solving its mysteries.

Quest for Quantum Gravity

• Figuring out quantum gravity is seen as an exciting quest.

• The reasons behind our fascination with understanding quantum gravity are explored.

• The analogy is made between seeking knowledge and minimizing statistical divergence between predictions and reality.

• Our desire to have visibility and predictability across different energy scales is highlighted.

New Section

This section focuses on our drive to understand the world better in order to navigate it effectively.

Understanding the World Better

• Having limited visibility or predictability in certain regimes is considered an insult to us as seekers of knowledge.

• We strive to understand the world better so that we can navigate through it more effectively.

• The ability to predict the world leads to capturing utility or free energy for our own sustenance and growth.

New Section

This section emphasizes the significance of mastering quantum gravity while acknowledging that there is still much to learn at smaller scales.

Mastering Quantum Gravity

• Mastery of quantum gravity opens up vast potential.

• However, there is still a lot to learn at the mesoscales before reaching that point.

• The importance of acquiring information about our world and engineering perception, prediction, and control is highlighted.

• Climbing up the Kardashev scale is seen as a great challenge.

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This section concludes the conversation with gratitude and a quote from Albert Einstein.

Gratitude and Closing

• Appreciation is expressed for the guest's work, humor, and wisdom.

• A quote from Albert Einstein is shared: "If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it."

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