Interview with Karen Armstrong on "A History of God", "The Case for God", "Sacred Nature" HQ

Introduction

The video begins with an introduction to the speaker and the topics that will be discussed.

Biography and Becoming a Nun

• At a young age, the speaker decided to become a nun in hopes of finding serenity, holiness, and transcendence.

• However, she realized that she was too young and immature to make such a life-altering decision.

• Joining a religious order required sacrificing one's own identity and becoming another person.

• The speaker struggled with fitting into the world as she was shy and introverted.

• The training in the novitiate was challenging, involving constant criticism and strict discipline.

• The Vatican Council in 1962 brought about significant changes in the Catholic Church, including reforms in the education of young religious like the speaker.

Difficulties as a Nun

The speaker reflects on her difficult experiences as a nun.

Striving for Humility

• Being a nun meant striving for humility by letting go of selfishness and worldly desires.

• The speaker cried frequently during her time as a nun due to continuous reprimands and harsh treatment.

• She observed that older individuals joining after her were more assertive and unwilling to tolerate mistreatment.

Transition to Oxford University

The speaker discusses her transition from being a nun to studying English at Oxford University.

Challenges at Oxford

• Studying English at Oxford University presented its own difficulties, especially dealing with class distinctions among fellow students.

• Despite facing challenges, the speaker excelled academically, which surprised her religious order.

Losing Faith

The speaker talks about her gradual loss of faith.

Flimsy Faith

• The speaker admits that her faith had always been uncertain, even during her time as a nun.

• Living among atheistic professors at Oxford University and being encouraged to think critically led her to question her beliefs.

• Over time, the speaker's faith became weaker and more fragile.

Conclusion

The transcript provides insights into the speaker's journey as a nun, the challenges she faced, and how her experiences influenced her faith.

Challenging Times and Supportive Friends

The speaker recalls the difficulties she faced in her early years, including having to walk long distances to attend mass on Sundays. She mentions a supportive friend who discouraged her from continuing this practice due to its suggestive nature. Despite experiencing breakdowns and suicidal thoughts, she acknowledges the kindness of her friends who stood by her.

Difficulties and Support

• The speaker had to walk miles to attend mass on Sundays.

• A friend advised her against continuing this practice due to its suggestive nature.

• Despite facing serious breakdowns and being suicidal, the speaker's friends were supportive and stood by her.

Academic Challenges and Failure at Oxford

The speaker discusses her academic journey, including graduating with a congratulatory first-class degree. However, she later failed in her postgraduate degree at Oxford. The examiner criticized her chosen topic for not being suitable for a Ph.D., leading to feelings of disappointment.

Academic Journey at Oxford

• Graduated with a congratulatory first-class degree.

• Failed in postgraduate studies at Oxford due to the examiner's opinion that her chosen topic was not appropriate for a Ph.D.

• Topic of study was Tennyson's poetic style.

Consequences of Failure and Disagreements

The speaker reflects on the consequences of failing at Oxford and how it affected her confidence. Her tutor expressed anger towards the decision made by some members of the governing body who were against granting her a doctorate. There were disagreements and arguments about this decision for six months before it was finalized.

Consequences and Disagreements

• Failing at Oxford dealt another blow to the speaker's confidence.

• Some members of the governing body were against granting her a doctorate, leading to disagreements and arguments for six months.

• The sanctity of the Oxford doctorate was prioritized over her individual case.

Finding a New Path and Career

Despite setbacks in becoming a nun or pursuing an academic career, the speaker eventually found success in a different profession. She initially turned to school teaching but faced health issues and was asked to resign after six years. However, she wrote her first book about her experiences as a nun, which caught the attention of Channel 4 television and led to new opportunities.

Transitioning into a New Career

• After leaving academia, the speaker became a school teacher but faced health issues and had to resign.

• Her first book about being a nun attracted the attention of Channel 4 television.

• She got a job in Israel as a presenter for a documentary on St. Paul with an Israeli film company.

Setbacks and Struggles

The speaker's television career faced challenges when she worked on another documentary that resulted in embezzlement by the film company. As a result, she lost her job and had financial difficulties. She continued writing reviews and angry books about religion while trying to navigate through these setbacks.

Setbacks in Television Career

• The speaker's television career collapsed due to embezzlement by the film company during another documentary project.

• She lost her job as a result and faced financial difficulties.

• Continued writing reviews and angry books about religion during this time.

A Turning Point and Change of Perspective

The speaker experienced a turning point when she gained a new literary agent who influenced her perspective on writing. This agent's standard of excellence inspired the speaker to explore new ideas and approach religion in a different way. This led to the writing of her book "A History of God" and a shift in her understanding of different faiths.

Turning Point and Change in Perspective

• The speaker's new literary agent influenced her perspective on writing.

• The agent's standard of excellence inspired the speaker to explore new ideas and approach religion differently.

• This led to the writing of "A History of God" and a shift in the speaker's understanding of different faiths.

Cultivating Compassion and New Discoveries

During her research for her books, the speaker discovered a quote about cultivating compassion as a form of knowledge. This idea resonated with her, leading to further exploration and understanding of different religions. She also mentions how studying Islam and Middle Eastern politics broadened her horizons.

Cultivating Compassion and New Discoveries

• The speaker discovered a quote about cultivating compassion as a form of knowledge during her research.

• This idea had a profound impact on her understanding of different religions.

• Studying Islam and Middle Eastern politics expanded her knowledge and perspectives.

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The Science of Compassion

In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of developing the "science of compassion" by putting oneself in other people's shoes and understanding their feelings. This approach changes the way we approach work and religion.

Developing the Science of Compassion

• The speaker suggests laying aside the self and developing the science of compassion.

• This involves feeling with others and putting oneself in their shoes.

• It is a shift from focusing on one's own feelings to understanding others' feelings.

Two Different Periods: Muthos and Logos

The speaker distinguishes between two different periods in history - one from 30,000 BC to the end of the Middle Ages, and another from the end of the Middle Ages to present day. These periods represent different ways people viewed God, with an emphasis on unknown gods during the first period.

Distinction Between Muthos and Logos

• In the first period (30,000 BC to end of Middle Ages), people had a view of God known as "unknown god."

• The distinction between muthos (myth) and logos (logic) is important.

• Western Christianity became more rationalistic as it progressed scientifically.

• Greek Orthodox Christianity maintained a more mystical view of God.

Mutos and Logos: Empirical vs Experiential Truth

The speaker explains that mutos represents experiential truth while logos represents empirical scientific truth. Both are necessary for a holistic understanding of life.

Mutos and Logos

• Mutos provides experiential truth that allows us to live more intensely, creatively, and deeply.

• Logos gives us empirical scientific truth.

• Both mutos and logos are valid ways of approaching life.

The Unknown God and the Unknowable

The speaker discusses the concept of the unknown god and emphasizes that God is infinite and unknowable. Mystics understand that our minds cannot fully comprehend God.

The Unknown God

• The concept of the unknown god suggests that we can never fully know or grasp God.

• The cloud of unknowing, a mystical text, highlights the incomprehensibility of God.

• Biblical images of God behaving in human ways may lead to misunderstandings.

• As Western society became more scientific, it struggled with understanding religious myths.

Apophatic Theology: Speaking About the Ineffable

The speaker introduces apophatic theology as a way to talk about God's ineffability. It emphasizes that God cannot be understood through ordinary language or logical reasoning.

Apophatic Theology

• Apophatic theology is a way to speak about the ineffable nature of God.

• Ordinary language and logic are insufficient to describe or understand God.

• Comparisons like Russell's celestial teapot are inadequate for understanding what God truly is.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the challenges of translating religious texts and the concept of negative theology.

Translation Challenges and Negative Theology

• Translating religious texts literally can be problematic, especially when it comes to Greek Orthodox traditions.

• The Greek Orthodox Church has a strong mythical tradition that they have adapted to a more apathetic way of speech.

• Negative theology is a term used to describe the recognition that we cannot fully comprehend or articulate what God is.

• It acknowledges that speaking about God often leads to nonsensical statements, as God is beyond human understanding.

• Our intuitive sense of God falls short when we try to talk about it, leading us to recognize our limitations.

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In this section, the speaker explores the idea that our experiences and intuitions of God are limited by our ability to express them in words.

Limitations of Expressing Intuition

• We have an intuitive sense of God and certain experiences but struggle to put them into words.

• Everything we do falls short of fully capturing or expressing our intuition of God.

• If God were different from what we experience or imagine, He would be alien and beyond comprehension.

• Our understanding of God goes beyond mere thinking; it involves behaving and engaging in rituals.

• Rituals play an important role in connecting with the intuition of God and going beyond logical explanations.

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In this section, the speaker highlights the power of music in Greek Orthodox or Russian Orthodox services in evoking a sense of intuition and going beyond words.

Power of Music in Religious Services

• Attending a Greek Orthodox or Russian Orthodox service can be a transformative experience due to the music.

• The music touches people deeply and goes beyond words, connecting with their intuition of God.

• The aesthetic sense and the power of music motivate individuals to see the world differently and act in a different way.

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In this section, the speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing our limited knowledge when discussing God and the challenges posed by scriptures.

Recognizing Limited Knowledge

• When talking about God, we must acknowledge that we don't fully understand what we are saying.

• Scriptures often present God as a personality and provide endless rules and laws for us to follow.

• Reading religious texts like the Quran in translation limits our understanding compared to hearing it sung.

• The aesthetic sense evoked by singing the Quran provides an intuitive understanding of God beyond logic.

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In this section, the speaker shares a personal experience highlighting how aesthetics and language richness can convey an intuitive understanding of religious texts.

Aesthetics and Language Richness

• While traveling in Palestine, the speaker witnessed young Palestinian men being moved to tears while listening to the Quran on car radio.

• The language richness and chant of the Quran conveyed multiple meanings that went beyond logical explanations.

• The aesthetic sense derived from such experiences takes us beyond reason and offers glimpses into something indescribable.

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In this section, the speaker introduces Nicholas of Kues' concept of "knowing ignorance" regarding our knowledge of God.

Knowing Ignorance

• Nicholas of Kues coined the term "doctor ignorencia," meaning knowing ignorance.

• It acknowledges that all our knowledge about God is ultimately pseudo-knowledge or limited understanding.

• We tend to try pinning down religious texts like the Bible with clear messages or moral precepts, but they contain contradictions.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the different traditions and authors within the Bible.

Different Traditions and Authors in the Bible

• The Old Testament has different traditions represented by authors known as J, E, P, and D.

• J represents the Yahwist tradition from the south of Israel, while E represents a more logical tradition using Elohim for God.

• P refers to the priestly tradition, and D stands for Deuteronomists' tradition.

• While understanding these traditions helps analyze the Bible's origins, it is important to recognize that they were all edited together.

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In this section, the speaker emphasizes that reading the Bible as a coherent whole can be challenging due to its contradictory nature.

Contradictions in the Bible

• Reading the Bible from start to finish can be difficult because it contains contradictions.

• The compilation of various texts into one book challenges our desire for clear coherence or logical consistency.

• This should lead us to embrace silence and recognize our limitations when discussing God.

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In this section, the speaker highlights how multiple perspectives in religious texts challenge our tendency to pin down God.

Multiple Perspectives in Religious Texts

• The presence of multiple voices and perspectives in religious texts like the Bible indicates that we cannot pin down God definitively.

• Different authors offer diverse perceptions and experiences of God.

• Our scientific rationalistic minds often resist this idea as it contradicts our desire for clear explanations.

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This section discusses the misinterpretation of religious texts and the reduction of religion to a form of logos, leading to a scientific view of God.

Misinterpretation of Religious Texts

• The scriptures are works of art and should not be taken as factual accounts.

• Interpreting God in a scientific way leads to atheism and disbelief in religious teachings.

• Behaving differently is essential for understanding religion beyond its intellectual aspects.

Reduction of Religion to Logos

• Transforming myth into logos transforms religion into a form that must conform to logical criteria.

• This reduction leads to a scientific view of religion, attempting to locate God in place and time.

• Reading the Bible literally as a biology manual or rejecting evolution for creationism is an example of this reduction.

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This section explores the consequences of reducing religion to logos and the emergence of fundamentalism.

Consequences of Reducing Religion to Logos

• Reducing religion to logos produces a limited perception and understanding of God.

• It leads people to think that God can be explained scientifically, which contradicts religious teachings.

• It also affects behavior, requiring self-emptying (kenosis) and practicing charity towards others.

Emergence of Fundamentalism

• The scientific understanding of religion can lead to fundamentalism as a reaction against it.

• However, this counter-reaction often becomes another form of secular fundamentalism.

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This section emphasizes the importance of humility, generosity, and aesthetic experience in understanding religion.

Humility and Generosity

• No one knows everything about religion; it is important not to claim absolute knowledge or superiority.

• The teachings encourage giving all you have to the poor, honoring everyone you meet, and being prepared to suffer for your beliefs.

• Charity should be practiced consistently, putting oneself aside and loving others more than oneself.

Aesthetic Experience

• Religion is meant to work on individuals aesthetically, enlarging their perception of the world's beauty.

• However, this aesthetic experience must translate into action to make the world a beautiful place through good deeds.

• Quarrels about religious concepts often stem from ego-driven arguments rather than embracing the mystery of existence.

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This section discusses the need to set aside ego and embrace a plurality of experiences in religion.

Embracing Plurality of Experiences

• Accepting a plurality of experiences is crucial in understanding religion.

• It requires setting aside ego and expressing oneself less assertively or cleverly.

• The concept of kenosis (self-emptying) emphasizes giving to others and ensuring no one goes hungry.

Critique of Richard Dawkins

• Richard Dawkins is often seen as a critic of religion, but his critique is not as powerful as those from the 19th century.

• Other critiques have delved deeper into religious matters compared to Dawkins' perspective.

Similarities between Religious Fundamentalism and Disdain in Religion

In this section, the speaker discusses the similarities between religious fundamentalism and disdain in religion. They highlight how both perspectives fail to embody the true essence of religion, which should be based on kindness and understanding.

Similarities between Religious Fundamentalism and Disdain in Religion

• Both religious fundamentalism and disdain in religion stem from a belief that one possesses the sole possession of truth. This mindset disregards the diversity of beliefs and hinders open-mindedness.

• The speaker emphasizes that when individuals claim to have exclusive access to truth, they lose sight of the humility required to understand religion. They mention "the cloud of unknowing," a mystical text that emphasizes our limited knowledge about God.

Importance of Kindness in Religion

In this section, the speaker highlights the significance of kindness within religion. They emphasize that behaving with kindness towards others is essential for a deeper understanding of spirituality.

Importance of Kindness in Religion

• The speaker asserts that all religions emphasize the importance of kindness as a guiding principle for believers. By treating others with compassion, individuals can transcend their own pain and sorrow.

• They share a Buddhist prayer that promotes happiness for all beings, regardless of their status or future existence. This prayer encourages sending loving thoughts out into the world as a means to alleviate suffering.

Sacred Nature: A Book Exploring Religion and Environment

In this section, the speaker introduces their upcoming book titled "Sacred Nature" which explores the relationship between religion and the environment.

Sacred Nature: A Book Exploring Religion and Environment

• The speaker explains that "Sacred Nature" delves into the intersection of religion and the environment. The book aims to shed light on the need for a change in behavior towards nature and the planet.

• They mention that their publishers requested a shorter book this time, but they still address the importance of reevaluating our actions towards nature. The speaker acknowledges the challenges of reducing car usage and air travel, especially in post-pandemic times.

Reverence for Nature and Saving the Planet

In this section, the speaker discusses the loss of reverence for nature in Western society and emphasizes that changing our mindset is crucial for saving the planet.

Reverence for Nature and Saving the Planet

• The speaker highlights how Western society has shifted its view of nature as a commodity rather than something to be revered. They argue that without restoring reverence for nature, we cannot effectively save or change our planet's trajectory.

• They contrast this perspective with various world religions that recognize nature's sacredness. For example, in Greek Orthodox Christianity, Hinduism, and Islam (Quran), there is an inherent belief in divinity permeating all aspects of nature. This recognition leads to respect and love for the natural world.

Treating Nature with Reverence: A Global Perspective

In this section, the speaker expands on different cultural perspectives regarding treating nature with reverence.

Treating Nature with Reverence: A Global Perspective

• The speaker explains how different cultures approach treating nature with reverence. In India, there is no single god; instead, there is a force called "ki" or "brahman" that permeates humanity and every aspect of nature. This perspective is expressed through myths and is deeply respected and loved.

• They mention that the Quran has a stronger view of nature compared to the Bible, which focuses more on God's presence in historical events. The speaker emphasizes that various religions, including Chinese philosophy, advocate for treating nature with the same respect as one would treat oneself or others (the golden rule).

Optimism and Disenchantment with the World

In this section, the speaker reflects on optimism and disenchantment with the world while discussing their personal perspective.

Optimism and Disenchantment with the World

• The speaker acknowledges that it can be challenging to remain optimistic when confronted with the sinfulness and terrible things happening in the world. However, they believe it is crucial not to succumb to pessimism because giving up hinders progress.

• They express concern about society's increasing focus on capturing moments through photographs rather than truly experiencing them. This shift contributes to a sense of disenchantment with the world, as people prioritize sharing images over genuine awe and appreciation.

Reevaluating Our Relationship with Nature

In this section, the speaker emphasizes the need to reevaluate our relationship with nature by revering, honoring, and admiring it.

Reevaluating Our Relationship with Nature

• The speaker asserts that changing our mindset towards nature is essential for its preservation. They argue that we must revere, honor, and admire nature instead of viewing it solely as a resource to exploit. This shift requires both emotional connection and intellectual engagement.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the non-western world's understanding of nature and their poetic ways of looking at it. They also explore how William Wordsworth's perspective on nature differs from traditional religious views.

Understanding Nature in the Non-Western World

• The non-western world still holds onto old poetic ways of looking at nature.

• When speaking in Pakistan, the speaker quotes Wordsworth to illustrate a different perspective on nature.

• Wordsworth looks at nature as a religious experience but in a new secular way.

Wordsworth's Perspective on Nature

• Wordsworth learns to look at nature differently and hears the sweet sad music of humanity.

• He feels a presence that disturbs him with the joy of elevated thoughts.

• Wordsworth describes a sense sublime of something far more deeply understood.

• He carefully cultivates his perspective on nature, rather than it being something dropped upon him.

Finding an Imminent God in Nature

• The speaker highlights that Wordsworth is not referring to a distant god in the heavens.

• Instead, he seeks an imminent god present in every flower and tree.

• This concept has been cultivated for centuries in other world religions.

• The speaker suggests that we should try to find and recreate this attitude within ourselves.

Connecting with Nature

• The speaker emphasizes the importance of spending time observing and appreciating nature.

• Instead of rushing through life, taking just 10 minutes each day to listen to birds or observe trees can make a difference.

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In this section, the speaker concludes by discussing small actions individuals can take to reconnect with nature and cultivate an attitude similar to that described by Wordsworth.

Reconnecting with Nature

• Taking time to observe and appreciate nature can help us reconnect with its beauty and significance.

• The speaker suggests spending a few minutes each day simply looking at trees and listening to birds.

• By slowing down and immersing ourselves in nature, we can cultivate a deeper understanding and appreciation for the world around us.

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