Managing nerves, anxiety, and burnout | Jonny Miller (Nervous Systems Mastery)

Managing nerves, anxiety, and burnout | Jonny Miller (Nervous Systems Mastery)

Feather Brick Dump Truck Phenomenon

Understanding Early Signs of Burnout

  • The "feather brick dump truck phenomenon" describes the progression of burnout, starting with subtle signs (the feather) and escalating to severe consequences (the dump truck).
  • Initial signs may include feeling tired or exhausted; ignoring these can lead to more significant issues like arguments or health crises later on.
  • Many people experience this escalation without recognizing early symptoms, often leading to a full-blown crisis.

Nervous System Mastery with Jonny Miller

Tools for Managing Stress

  • Jonny Miller teaches techniques for cultivating calmness, resilience, and increased aliveness in stressful situations.
  • Key insights include focusing on bodily states rather than mental states to maintain calm during stress.
  • Specific breathing exercises are shared for creating calm and energy; practical applications are demonstrated during the podcast.

Recognizing Burnout and Emotional Health

  • Discussion includes identifying early signs of burnout and strategies for releasing emotional debt.
  • Emphasizes that processing emotions can provide a competitive advantage in business settings.

APE Practice: Awareness, Posture, Emotions

Practical Techniques for Well-being

  • The APE practice encourages individuals to focus on their awareness, posture, and emotions as a means of self-regulation.

Career Reflection and Goal Setting

Tools for Job Searching

  • Teal is introduced as a platform offering tools like an AI-powered resume builder and job tracker to streamline job searches.

Security Compliance Solutions by Vanta

Enhancing Business Growth through Compliance

  • Vanta helps companies manage security compliance efficiently, automating much of the work involved with frameworks like SOC 2.

Jonny's Personal Journey into Nervous System Work

Catalyst for Change

Exploring Inner Landscapes and Breathwork

Journey into Breathwork

  • The speaker shares a five-year journey of self-discovery, focusing on breathwork and meditation to explore an inner landscape previously ignored.
  • They emphasize the prevalence of mental health challenges like anxiety and depression in both personal and professional settings, highlighting the rewarding nature of their work with founders and executives.

Methodology for Reducing Anxiety

  • The speaker introduces a "top down, bottom up" approach to managing anxiety, contrasting traditional methods like mindfulness with physiological techniques.
  • They explain that there are significantly more afferent neurons (from body to brain) than efferent neurons (from brain to body), suggesting that altering physical state can effectively change mental state.

Physiological Impact of Breathing

  • The speaker discusses how nervousness often leads individuals to rationalize their feelings instead of addressing the physiological responses directly.
  • By changing breathing patterns—such as shallow chest breathing—one activates the sympathetic nervous system, leading to increased adrenaline and cortisol levels.

Actionable Insights on Breathing Techniques

  • A key takeaway is to prioritize calming the body through breath before attempting cognitive reframing; this can lead to a natural reduction in anxiety.
  • Personal anecdotes illustrate the effectiveness of breathwork prior to high-pressure situations, such as public speaking engagements.

Understanding Breath's Power

  • The speaker explains that breath is unique because it operates both automatically and consciously; controlling exhalation length can induce calmness or activation.

Breathing Techniques for Anxiety Management

Understanding the Role of Breathing in Anxiety

  • Most individuals approach anxiety management through storytelling, but breathing techniques can also be effective. Relaxing one's gaze and expanding awareness can help alleviate anxiety.
  • Emphasizing exhalation during breathing (e.g., exhaling twice as long as inhaling) activates the insular cortex, which calms the parasympathetic nervous system and reduces anxiety.
  • The speaker shares personal experiences with stage fright and podcast nerves, highlighting how anticipatory anxiety can exacerbate feelings of nervousness.

Mindfulness vs. Breathing Techniques

  • While mindfulness practices are beneficial for creating psychological space between stimulus and response, changing breath patterns is seen as a more immediate solution to manage anxiety effectively.

Practical Breathing Exercises

  • A simple breathing exercise is introduced: inhale through the nose for four counts, hold for four counts, and exhale for eight counts. This cycle promotes calmness.
  • The session includes a humming exercise at the end of the breathing practice, which releases nitric oxide—a vasodilator that aids in relaxation and reduces eye tension.

Application of Breathing Techniques

  • The speaker suggests building a toolkit of various breathing practices suitable for different contexts (e.g., 4-4-8 breathing or humming before meetings).
  • Creating personalized "if this, then breathe" strategies helps individuals respond to specific feelings like overwhelm or anxiety with appropriate techniques.

Future Resources

Calming Breath Exercises and Techniques

Physiological Sigh and Downshifting Practices

  • The physiological sigh involves taking a full breath in, followed by an additional small inhalation. This technique is effective for quick calming.
  • A natural sigh often occurs after downshifting practices like 4-4-8 breathing, indicating the body is transitioning to a calmer state.
  • The discussion emphasizes tools for immediate calmness as well as ongoing practices to establish a baseline of calm in daily life.

Espresso Breath: An Energizing Technique

  • Espresso breath is described as an activating breathing exercise, suitable for moments of lethargy or as an alternative to caffeine.
  • This technique consists of rapid exhales through the nose, contrasting with more intense methods like Wim Hof's breathing techniques.
  • Demonstration of espresso breath includes pumping air from the lower belly with a focus on exhaling quickly; recommended duration is about 30 breaths per round.

Practical Applications and Recommendations

  • Espresso breath can be beneficial before public speaking or morning meetings to boost energy levels while maintaining calmness.
  • Two main techniques are highlighted: one for immediate calmness and another for energy activation; both can be practiced regularly to build resilience.

Establishing Regular Breathing Practices

  • A morning practice of around five minutes is suggested to help integrate these techniques into daily routines, making them easier to recall during stressful moments.
  • Consistent practice over 7 to 10 days helps solidify these exercises into memory, allowing individuals to access them when needed most.

Summary of Breathing Techniques

  • For calming down: inhale for four seconds, hold for four seconds, exhale slowly for eight seconds; repeat this cycle for at least one minute.

Understanding Interoception and Somatic Awareness

The Importance of Interoception

  • Interoception, or somatic awareness, is crucial for reducing nervousness; being aware of bodily sensations can help the mind feel at ease.
  • Tuning into body sensations enhances the effectiveness of practices aimed at improving mental well-being.

Defining Interoception

  • Interoception is described as our sixth sense, allowing us to sense and track internal bodily states, similar to how a chef trains their palate.
  • Increased interoceptive awareness helps identify early signs of anxiety, potentially preventing panic attacks by recognizing subtle bodily changes.

Research Insights on Interoception

  • Studies indicate that low levels of interoception correlate with conditions like ADHD and PTSD.
  • Research suggests that individuals who are more attuned to their bodies make better decisions in high-stakes environments, such as Wall Street traders.

Practical Steps for Enhancing Interoceptive Awareness

  • APE is an acronym introduced to simplify the process: Awareness, Posture, Emotion. Each component plays a role in understanding one's internal state.
  • Awareness: Focus on expanding or narrowing your attention based on your feelings.
  • Posture: Recognize how body posture influences emotional states.
  • Emotion: Identify and map out physical sensations related to emotions.

Implementing APE in Daily Life

  • Regularly practicing APE can help individuals become more aware of their emotional landscape and physical sensations throughout the day.
  • Engaging in a body scan while considering APE can be particularly beneficial when experiencing racing thoughts or discomfort.

Breath Awareness and Its Impact on Well-Being

The Concept of Email Apnea

  • Discusses the phenomenon of "email apnea," where individuals unknowingly hold their breath while checking emails, leading to increased tension and activation in the body.

Breathing Techniques for Calmness

  • Emphasizes the importance of breathing through the nose and into the belly rather than shallow mouth breathing, which can create tension.
  • Introduces the acronym BAPE (or APE) as a tool for self-assessment during stressful situations, such as meetings, to gauge physical responses like clenched stomach or poor posture.

Recognizing Body Signals

  • Encourages awareness of bodily sensations before important calls or meetings, suggesting that feelings like a clenched stomach may indicate underlying issues needing exploration.

Personal Reflection on Overcommitment

  • Shares a personal experience of feeling exhausted after overcommitting to podcast interviews, highlighting how stress manifests physically and mentally when priorities are misaligned.

Understanding Burnout Through Interoception

The Feather-Brick-Dump Truck Phenomenon

  • Introduces a metaphor for recognizing early signs of burnout:
  • Feather: Subtle signs like morning fatigue.
  • Brick: Ignored signs leading to emotional outbursts.
  • Dump Truck: Severe consequences like health crises if ignored long enough.

Importance of Early Detection

  • Stresses that being attuned to initial signals (the feather) allows for timely adjustments before reaching severe burnout stages (the dump truck).

Emotional Debt and Its Effects

Concept of Emotional Debt

  • Defines emotional debt as stress stored in the body due to incomplete mobilization cycles, leading to fragility in the nervous system.

Signs of Emotional Debt

Understanding Emotional Debt and Its Impact

Early Warning Signs of Emotional Debt

  • Emotional debt can manifest as feeling unrested or strained in relationships, particularly intimate ones or at work.
  • Accumulation of emotional debt parallels technical debt; while manageable initially, neglecting it leads to significant health crises over time.

Recognizing the Threshold of Emotional Debt

  • Individuals may exceed their "window of tolerance," leading to exhaustion and an inability to function normally.
  • A key indicator of high emotional debt is the inability to downshift or relax without external substances like alcohol or CBD.

Strategies for Paying Off Emotional Debt

  • Traditional talk therapy may not suffice; incorporating somatic practices is essential for addressing underlying issues effectively.
  • Engaging in breathwork can help release stored emotions and memories, allowing individuals to process feelings like anger, grief, and shame.

Cultivating Awareness and Regulation

  • Developing interoception—awareness of bodily sensations—is crucial for recognizing tension and emotional buildup.
  • Self-regulation practices are necessary to manage overwhelming emotions when they arise.

Embracing Emotional Fluidity

  • Creating conditions that welcome a full spectrum of emotions helps facilitate healing; guidance from somatic practitioners can be beneficial.
  • The focus should be on helping the body release accumulated stress rather than solely convincing the mind that everything will be okay.

Importance of Somatic Connection in Therapy

Understanding Emotional Debt

Exploring Emotional Debt and Its Signs

  • The concept of emotional debt involves recognizing and processing emotions to alleviate accumulated stress or trauma over time.
  • Individuals may wonder if they are building emotional debt by ignoring subtle signs, often referred to as "feathers," which indicate unresolved feelings.
  • Signs of emotional debt can manifest as persistent nervousness or anxiety, suggesting that unaddressed emotions are accumulating in the body.
  • Acknowledging these sensations is crucial for understanding one's emotional state and addressing underlying issues effectively.
Video description

Jonny Miller is the founder of ⁠Nervous System Mastery⁠, a course that has helped hundreds of founders and tech leaders cultivate calm, reduce nervousness, enhance resilience, and elevate their sense of aliveness. Having personally benefited from Jonny’s teachings, I’m especially excited to have him on the show. In this episode, we discuss: • How shifting your focus from the mind to the body can help ease nervousness • The power of breath in changing states • The importance of “interoception” • Specific breathing exercises to both calm and excite your nervous system • The A.P.E. (awareness, posture, and emotion) framework for recognizing body signals • The “feather, brick, dump truck” phenomenon • The concept of emotional debt and how to release it • The competitive advantage of feeling emotions Jonny’s five-week boot camp, Nervous System Mastery, will equip you with evidence-backed protocols to cultivate greater calm and agency over your internal state. Learn to rewire maladaptive stress responses and improve your sleep (use code LENNY for $250 discount). ⁠Apply here⁠: https://nsmastery.com/lenny Brought to you by: • ⁠⁠Teal⁠⁠—Your personal career growth platform: https://tealhq.com/lenny • ⁠⁠Vanta⁠⁠—Automate compliance. Simplify security: https://vanta.com/lenny • ⁠⁠Miro⁠⁠—A collaborative visual platform where your best work comes to life: https://miro.com/lenny Find the transcript and references at: ⁠https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/managing-nerves-anxiety-and-burnout Where to find Jonny Miller: • X: ⁠https://twitter.com/jonnym1ller⁠ • LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonnym1ller/⁠ • Website: ⁠https://www.jonnymiller.co/⁠ • Podcast: ⁠podcast.curioushumans.com⁠  • Email: ⁠jonny@curioushumans.com⁠ • Course: ⁠https://nsmastery.com/lenny⁠ Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: ⁠https://www.lennysnewsletter.com⁠ • X: ⁠https://twitter.com/lennysan⁠ • LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/⁠ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Jonny’s background (07:19) The bottom-up approach to nervousness and anxiety (09:42) The power of breath in changing states (11:47) The concept of state over story (13:56) Personal experiences with nervousness (15:01) Breathing exercises to calm you down (20:40) The “espresso” breath exercise to give you energy (25:44) Interoception and the A.P.E. framework (34:47) The “feather, brick, dump truck” phenomenon (37:40) Recognizing emotional debt and avoiding burnout (40:47) Using somatic-oriented therapy for healing (45:26) Telltale signs of emotional debt (48:13) The competitive advantage of “feeling the feels” (50:20) Advice for people overwhelmed by stimuli (52:36) The NSDR (non-sleep deep rest) practice for emotional release (55:38) Daily practices for emotional well-being (58:23) Thoughts on meditation (01:01:26) The Body Keeps the Score (01:01:58) Contrarian corner (01:04:43) Lightning round Jonny’s If [This] Then [Breathe] Recipes: • If [overwhelmed], then [⁠hum⁠] • If [anxious], then [⁠breath of calm⁠] • If [lethargic], then [⁠espresso breath⁠] Production and marketing by ⁠https://penname.co/⁠. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email ⁠podcast@lennyrachitsky.com⁠. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.