7 Pretrib Problems and the Prewrath Rapture (Full Movie)
The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Debate
In this section, the speaker discusses the debate surrounding the pre-tribulation rapture and how some scholars maintain that it occurs before the seven-year period of the day of the Lord.
The Problem with Maintaining a Traditional Pre-Trib View
- Those who want to maintain a traditional pre-trib view but also believe that the day of the Lord is seven years long must assert that the rapture happens at some undefined but significant amount of time before the seven-year period begins.
The Fundamental Problem with Gap Theory
- Jesus teaches that the rapture and beginning of God's wrath are back-to-back events occurring on the same day. Therefore, there can be no gap between them.
Uncertainty Surrounding Rapture Timing
- Despite years of debate, there is still uncertainty about when exactly the rapture will occur.
- Some argue that it could happen at any moment, while others believe certain prophetic and celestial events must occur first.
Seven Pre-Trib Problems and Prewrath Rapture
This section explores seven problems with pre-tribulationism and introduces an alternative view called prewrath rapture.
Seven Problems with Pre-Tribulationism
- No biblical support for a secret coming of Christ
- No biblical support for two separate comings of Christ
- No biblical support for imminence
- No biblical support for a gap between rapture and tribulation
- No biblical support for church escape from tribulation
- Contradicts teachings on resurrection
- Contradicts teachings on God's wrath
Introduction to Prewrath Rapture
- Prewrath rapture is an alternative view that places the rapture after the sixth seal but before the day of the Lord's wrath.
- It seeks to address some of the problems with pre-tribulationism while still maintaining a pre-millennial view.
Conclusion
The speaker concludes by discussing how different views on the timing of the rapture have led to major shifts in scholarship and teaching.
- Views on the timing of the rapture have been debated for decades, and there have been major shifts in scholarship and teaching as a result.
- The speaker encourages viewers to go on a journey through scripture to review and answer critical aspects of this debate.
The Day of the Lord
This section discusses the concept of the "day of the Lord" and its relationship to the rapture.
The Timing of the Day of the Lord
- The day of the Lord is triggered by events in the last half of the seventieth week.
- The disturbance precursor is said to occur before the day of the Lord.
- The day of the Lord occurs at the very end of the seven-year period.
- Post-tribbers believe that it occurs at the sixth seal in Revelation 6 verses 12 to 14.
- The day of the Lord is a literal 24-hour day.
Timing Disagreements
- There are some minor disagreements about timing, specifically regarding when certain seals occur in relation to the seven-year period.
- Post-tribbers believe that it will start at or after midpoint and continue to end.
- Pre-wrath view teaches that rapture occurs at some unknown time after midpoint but before Armageddon.
Church Protection
- Pre-wrath view teaches that church will be supernaturally protected through God's wrath during this time.
Signs Leading Up To Rapture
This section discusses signs leading up to rapture as described in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21.
Olivet Discourse
- The Olivet Discourse is a teaching about the end times that Jesus gave on the Mount of Olives.
- Christians throughout the ages have believed this passage to be speaking of signs leading up to the rapture.
- These signs are said to happen before the day of the Lord.
Tribulation Period
- The term "tribulation period" is often used to refer to the entire seven-year period, which includes both tribulation and wrath.
- Signs leading up to rapture are said to happen before God's wrath, known as the "day of the Lord."
Conclusion
This video discusses different views on when the rapture will occur in relation to other end-time events.
Summary
- There are three main views on when the rapture will occur - pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation.
- Pre-wrath view teaches that rapture occurs after midpoint but before Armageddon and that church will be supernaturally protected through God's wrath during this time.
- Signs leading up to rapture are said to happen before God's wrath, known as the "day of the Lord."
The Pre-Tribulationist View
This section discusses the pre-tribulationist view of the seven-year time frame.
Pre-Tribulationism
- Pre-tribulationists believe in a seven-year time frame.
- They maintain that there are no events that must occur before the rapture.
- They believe that the rapture happens before the day of the Lord begins.
Post-Tribulationism
- Post-tribulationalists believe in a literal 24-hour day occurring at the very end of the seven-year period.
- They believe that the church will be supernaturally protected through the wrath of God until the final day when the rapture will take place.
Mid-Tribulationism
- Mid-tribulationists believe that the rapture occurs at the mid-point of the seven-year period.
- They see falling away or rebellion in verse 3 as a reference to this event.
The Seventieth Week of Daniel
This section discusses what is known as "the seventieth week of Daniel."
The Day of The First
- The seventieth week is sometimes called "the day of The First."
Events That Must Occur Before The Rapture and Before The Day Of The Lord Begins
- Pre-wrath solves this problem by understanding that these two events will occur before where the seven-year period is first introduced.
- There are disagreements primarily concerning when these two events occur.
Two Events That Must Occur
- There are two events that must occur before the rapture and before the day of the Lord begins.
- The first is the rebellion, sometimes translated as apostasy, and the revealing of the man of lawlessness.
- The second is the abomination of desolation.
Second Thessalonians 2
This section discusses Second Thessalonians 2.
Pre-Tribulationism
- Pre-tribulationists believe that Paul is using both concepts interchangeably here as he often does in the New Testament.
- They maintain that there are no problem passages for their thinking.
Post-Tribulationism
- Post-tribbers believe that Second Thessalonians 2 poses a fundamental problem for pre-trip position.
- They see it as one of the greatest problem passages for pre-tribulationism.
Mid-Tribulationism
- There is no specific mention of mid-tribulationism in this section.
Matthew 24
This section discusses Matthew 24.
Pre-Tribulationism
- There is no specific mention of pre-tribulationism in this section.
Post-Tribulationism
- Post-tribbers believe that Jesus mentions "the day of The First" in association with the abomination of desolation.
Mid-Tribulationism
- Mid-tribulationalists believe that the abomination of desolation occurs at the mid-point of the seven-year period.
The Meaning of Apostasia
In this section, the speaker discusses the meaning of apostasia and its connection to the rapture and the day of the Lord.
The Interpretation of Apostasia
- Apostasia is a Greek word that can mean "departure" or "falling away."
- Some interpret apostasia as referring to the rapture, while others see it as a reference to a falling away from faith.
- The context in which apostasia is used in 2 Thessalonians suggests that it refers to a departure from earth before the day of the Lord.
- There are some problems with interpreting apostasia as referring to the rapture, including a lack of evidence for cosmic disturbances at that time.
Cosmic Disturbances and Signs
- Many Old Testament prophets wrote about cosmic disturbances that would occur before the day of the Lord.
- The sun, moon, and stars are often mentioned in connection with these signs.
- Some believe that believers will depart from earth after these signs have occurred.
Interpreting Departure
- Departure can be understood in a non-spatial sense, such as departing from sound doctrine or departing from faith.
- The plain reading of departure in 2 Thessalonians suggests physical departure from earth.
- Departure always means non-physical when used elsewhere in scripture.
Overall, this section explores different interpretations of apostasia and its connection to cosmic disturbances and signs. It also delves into how departure should be interpreted within this context.
The Sign in the Sun, Moon and Stars
In this section, the speaker discusses the sign in the sun, moon, and stars mentioned in Joel 2:31 and Revelation. He argues that this sign happens before the day of the Lord and that there can be no gap between the rapture and the day of the Lord.
The Timing of Seals and Antichrist
- The seals and antichrist would occur before the day of the Lord begins.
- A celestial disturbance sign is found in Joel 2:31 which will occur before the day of the Lord.
- There has been no attempt to define exactly how long of a gap there is between this sign and when the day of the Lord begins.
The Sixth Seal
- The sixth seal is immediately preceded by a cosmic disturbance sign in Revelation.
- This cosmic disturbance sign happens before the day of the Lord.
- If this is true, then there can be no gap between these events.
Contradictions with Gap Theory
- Both men agree that there are back-to-back events that occur without any gaps.
- If something happens before or after another event, then it cannot be part of a seven-year gap theory.
- There can be no gap between rapture and revealing of man lawlessness on same day.
Reaction to Sign in Heavens
- When people see this sign in heavens, they react with fear because they know that it signals that judgment is coming soon.
- This reaction shows that there can be no gap between rapture and revealing of man lawlessness on same day.
Contradictions with Pre-Tribulationists
- Pre-Tribulationists believe that the day of the Lord occurs after the rapture.
- However, a plain reading of Revelation 6:15-17 shows that the day of the Lord occurs immediately after the rapture with no gap in between.
Persecution of the People of God
This section discusses the correlation between Jesus's teachings on the end times and Paul's teachings on persecution.
Correlation between Jesus and Paul's Teachings
- Paul's teachings mirror Jesus's teachings on the end times.
- The fifth seal in Revelation is correlated with events five months before Armageddon, which is a perfect mirror to Paul's teaching.
- The fourth seal is correlated with the timing of events in the trumpet, which is part of the day of persecution of the antichrist.
- The fifth seal is part of the great tribulation, which correlates with Jesus's Olivet Discourse.
Martyrs and Pre-Tribulationists
This section discusses how pre-tribulationists deal with martyrdom and celestial disturbances.
Pre-Tribulationist Views
- Pre-tribbers believe that martyrs are not a popular option for explaining persecution.
- They believed that signs leading up to rapture are indicators that God's wrath is about to commence.
- Signs will happen before pouring down wrath on a wicked world.
Celestial Disturbances
- Celestial disturbances are mentioned in Matthew 24, Thessalonians, and Revelation 6.
- Christians have believed these passages to be parallel to one another since cross-references have been invented.
Rapture and Day of Man
This section discusses how rapture relates to deliverance and the day of man.
Rapture and Day of Man
- Several passages in Matthew 24, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation support the idea that the rapture is pictured as an indication of deliverance.
- The distress of persecution will not begin until after the midpoint power and great glory.
The Pre-Wrath Rapture View
This section discusses the pre-wrath rapture view and how it differs from the pre-tribulation rapture view.
Preconditions for the Rapture
- The seals in Revelation 7 must be met before the scroll is opened.
- There are many signs that happen before the rapture, such as persecution and the abomination of desolation.
- Precursors or preconditions must occur before the rapture can take place.
Seals Before the Rapture
- The first seal is about the introduction of the antichrist at the midpoint of the seventieth week.
- The second seal is about wars that will happen first.
- The fifth seal is an interesting one because it would mean that there are things that will happen first before God's wrath.
- The martyrs depicted in Revelation 6:9 cannot be part of God's wrath.
Arguments for Pre-Wrath Position
- The church seal in Revelation 7 is one of the strongest arguments for pre-wrath position.
- In Revelation 6:9, this group cannot be the church.
Overall, this section provides an overview of some key differences between pre-wrath and pre-tribulation views on rapture. It also highlights some key points made by proponents of a pre-wrath view.
The Origin of the "Tribulation Saints" Argument
This section discusses the origin of the argument for the existence of "tribulation saints" and how it is not supported by early church writings.
Early Believers and the Rapture
- In the early 1800s, believers who were not rapture-focused emerged from the so-called Plymouth Brethren.
- John Darby, a leader in this movement, introduced the idea of an imminent rapture before the antichrist's arrival.
- However, there is no sign of belief in "tribulation saints" in any writings after verse 31 through chapter 25.
Lack of Support in Early Church Writings
- The idea that there are "tribulation saints" cannot be found in early church writings and contradicts what they believed about timing.
- While some pre-tribbers put verses 30 and 31 about armageddon, many scholars know that if they have changed imminency to something like intra-tribulationism, then most of the church fathers' meaning would have to be about keeping these fifth seal martyrs out of God's wrath.
- Most church fathers believed that the rapture would happen before or during Armageddon.
The Benefit of Intra-Tribulationalism
This section discusses how intra-tribulationalism avoids problems with fifth seal martyrs but lacks support from early church writings.
Intra-Tribulationalism vs Pre-Tribulationalism
- Some pre-tribbers argue that the pre-tribulation rapture could be before the seven-year period, which avoids the fifth seal martyr problem.
- Intra-tribulationalism is a theory that removes the fifth seal from the seventieth week and places it before the seven-year period begins.
Lack of Support in Early Church Writings
- The idea of intra-tribulationalism is fairly radical because it contradicts what most church fathers believed about timing.
- While some pre-tribbers argue that verses 30 and 31 are about Armageddon, many scholars know that if they have changed imminency to something like intra-tribulationism, then most of the church fathers' meaning would have to be about keeping these fifth seal martyrs out of God's wrath.
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The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory
In this section, the speaker discusses the pre-tribulation rapture theory and its interpretation of the fifth seal in the book of Revelation.
The Problem with Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory
- Pre-tribbers believe that Jesus could return at any moment without tribulation.
- However, the fifth seal is part of the great tribulation, which means that his return could happen at any moment with persecution.
- According to Matthew 24, signs will precede Jesus's return, including celestial disturbances and persecution.
- The next thing mentioned after the trumpet and bowl judgments have been poured out is Armageddon, which takes place at the end of the seven-year period.
The Significance of Celestial Disturbances
- Celestial disturbances are a sign that Armageddon is about to begin.
- This sign occurs while people are sinning carefreely on a wicked world.
- This same sign appears in the sixth seal, confirming its significance as a precursor to Armageddon.
Problems with Pre-Tribulational Scholars
- Precious few pre-trib commentaries attempt to justify their interpretation of verses 30 and 31 as occurring before or during Armageddon.
- Most pre-trib scholars recognize various problems with their position but do not demur from it.
Motivation for Living Holy Lives
- Christians should seek to live godly lives because they love God and desire sanctification.
- The fear of being caught in the act of sinning is not enough motivation to live a holy life.
- The hope of Christ's imminent return and deliverance is an added benefit.
Committed Discipleship
In this section, the speaker discusses committed discipleship and the continuation of the question.
The Parable of the Fig Tree
- Christians should not grow weary of doing good.
- The parable of the fig tree teaches that followers of Christ should be looking for signs to determine the general time of His coming.
- Pre-tribulationists believe that being caught by something sudden is not because of something sure, but because they are scared of being caught by something sudden.
The Seals in Revelation 6
- Pre-tribulationists believe that seals in Revelation 6 are not the wrath of God.
- Pre-tribulationists argue that we will be able to know the general time of His coming by observing the leaves on a fig tree.
Good Works and Eternal Life
- Some people wonder if we need to do good works to obtain eternal life.
- Our good works are not in vain since we will be rewarded on that day.
The Timing Of Events
In this section, the speaker discusses when certain events will occur according to different views.
Paul's View
- Paul clears up any confusion about knowing when Jesus' coming is near.
- No one knows when Jesus' specific time of coming is.
Heart's View
- New views from Heart and others suggest there are prophesied events before the rapture.
- Heart's view is that what Jesus refers to as the coming of the Son of Man is different from the answers about the perusia given by Jesus in verses 37 and 39.
Conclusion
In this section, the speaker concludes by summarizing what was discussed in the previous sections.
- Whatever these verses mean, they most certainly are not giving us any information about whether or not we will be raptured before judgment.
- There are prophesied events before the rapture that logically follow that just because Jesus is worthy to break the seals on the scroll does not mean He will do so immediately.
- Heart's view may seem absurd, but it doesn't necessarily follow that just because Jesus' second coming and our being gathered to Him happen at roughly the same time.
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Prophesied Events and Imminence
In this section, the speaker discusses prophesied events that must happen before the day of the Lord and how they relate to imminence.
The Fig Tree Parable
- The fig tree parable in Matthew 24 describes events that must happen before the day of the Lord.
- The phrase "before the new heavens and new earth" indicates that these two events will come near together.
- The word "watch" before the day of the Lord means "imminence."
- Naming things that happen during the day in the fig tree parable confirms imminence.
- Imminent events are derivative of knowing when certain things will happen before the day of the Lord.
Anticipating Christ's Return
- Christians should anticipate Christ's return as one of their most common ways to look forward to eternal life.
- Jesus' statement in Mark 13:29 confirms imminence by saying we can know when all wonderful things God has in store for us are near.
Proof Texts for Imminence
- A large group of proof texts for imminence use a Greek construction where proton always means one thing comes before another.
- Hebrews 10:24–25 encourages believers to spur each other on toward love and good works while waiting for Christ's return.
- Mark 3:27 uses an agricultural parallel to show that certain things have to happen first before crops can be harvested.
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The Rapture Theory
In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of the rapture theory and its validity.
The Blessed Hope
- The speaker argues that it is illogical to say that only some Christians will be raptured while others will not.
- Galatians 6 suggests that eternal life is a blessed hope for all Christians, not just a select few.
- Christians should not grow weary of doing good, as reaping eternal life is a reason to continue doing good.
Imminence and Apostasia
- The speaker rejects the idea that apostasia refers to the rapture theory.
- Pre-tribulationists argue for imminence, but this concept can be too legalistic for comfort.
- Pre-tribulational scholars have completely rejected the idea of doing good works to obtain eternal life.
Daniel's Prophecy
- Some pre-tribulationists do not want to play games with the text when interpreting Daniel's prophecy.
- Paul clears up any confusion about apostasy in 2 Thessalonians.
- John Walvoord and John MacArthur believe that 70 weeks in Daniel's prophecy refer to groups of seven years.
- Good works are not in vain, and Christians will be rewarded on Judgment Day.
Final Thoughts
- There are prophesied events before the day of the Lord, which is immediately preceded by a seven-year period.
The Rapture and the Church
In this section, the speaker discusses the pre-tribulation rapture theory and its relation to Israel and the Church.
Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory
- The pre-tribulation rapture theory suggests that the church will be taken up before the final seven-year period.
- This theory is based on the idea that God works separately with Israel and the Church.
- Pre-tribulationists argue that there are no prophesied events between Daniel's 70th week and the rapture.
- They believe that when Jesus says "let not your hearts be troubled," he is referring to the rapture as a good thing for Christians.
Criticisms of Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory
- Critics argue that this theory is inconsistent because it assumes that God cannot deal with Israel and the Church at the same time.
- They also point out that there is no clear biblical evidence for a pre-tribulation rapture.
- Pre-wrath theorists suggest that Christians will go through some form of persecution before being gathered to Christ.
Conclusion
- The speaker argues against pre-tribulationism, suggesting instead that Christians should prepare for persecution rather than relying on an unproven theory.
The Relationship Between Israel and the Church
In this section, the speaker discusses the relationship between Israel and the Church in relation to end-time prophecy.
The Regathering of Israel
- The regathering of Israel is a key event in end-time prophecy.
- Ezekiel prophesied about the regathering of Israel.
- In 1948, Israel became a nation again after being dispersed for two thousand years.
- This event fulfilled Ezekiel's prophecy about dry bones coming back to life.
The Seals of Revelation
- The seals of Revelation are mostly things that will happen during the final seven-year period leading up to the rapture and the day of judgment.
- The fifth seal is about martyrs that are depicted as being killed in large numbers because of their testimony.
- Pre-wrath proponents argue that these seals cannot be a part of God's wrath since He is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish.
Understanding End-Time Prophecy
- Some arguments for the pre-wrath position suggest that God's wrath begins at some point during the final seven-year period.
- However, all seven seals are considered to be part of God's wrath by many scholars.
- Revelation 12 speaks about Jesus' return being like a thief in the night.
Conclusion
- End-time prophecy can be difficult to understand, but it is important to study and interpret it correctly.
- It is crucial to have a proper understanding of how events will unfold so we can be prepared for what is to come.
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The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Debate
In this section, the speakers discuss the concept of pre-tribulation rapture and its validity in Christian theology.
Pre-Tribulation Rapture Beliefs
- Pre-tribulationists believe that the church will be raptured before the tribulation period.
- They also believe that Christians will encounter the antichrist during this period.
- However, they are expected to rejoice in their faith and not fear persecution.
- Some pre-wrath scholars argue that only a small group of Christians will be raptured before the tribulation period.
Early Church Views on Rapture
- Early church experts held different views on the relationship between national Israel and the church.
- Larry Crutchfield concluded that there is no evidence of pre-tribulationism in early church writings.
- James Stitzinger proposed a type of imminent intratribulationism which removes the fifth seal from prophecy.
Daniel's Prophecy
- Daniel's prophecy is about keeping fifth seal martyrs out of God's wrath by placing them before the seven-year period begins.
- Pre-wrath scholars propose intra-seal tribulational inferences to avoid contradicting imminence.
The Pre-Wrath Rapture Position
In this section, the speaker discusses the pre-wrath rapture position and provides evidence to support it.
Imminency of the Rapture
- The writer of Didache tells readers to be watchful and ready because they don't know when the rapture will occur.
- Pre-tribulationists routinely abandon elements of Jesus's discussion in Matthew 24 and Revelation chapter 6 that show a lot of parallels with the opening of the seals.
- One of the clearest and most comprehensive statements on imminency is found in Matthew 24:42, where Jesus says, "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."
Evidence for Pre-Wrath Position
- One great way to show that sixth seal is not about Christ coming back for his church is by noticing that in most cases inconsistency of pre-tribulational belief is by turning to Jeremiah 31 verses high and important significance seems to also teach in other places that lots of prophesied events will come before the rapture.
- Evidence for the pre-wrath position can be found in Daniel's seventieth week prophecy (Daniel 9:27), which applies to both Israel and the Church.
- The final chapter of Didache provides critical doctrine among pre-wrath rapturism.
Fulfillment
- Oddly concludes his paper by fulfillment.
- Pre-Tribulationists have seen proof bible about Christians existing within Israel at the same time as well as the church at the same time.
Inconsistencies in Pre-Tribulational Belief
- In most cases, inconsistency of pre-tribulational belief is by turning to Jeremiah 31 verses high and important significance seems to also teach in other places that lots of prophesied events will come before the rapture.
- Pre-tribulationists routinely abandon elements of Jesus's discussion in Matthew 24 and Revelation chapter 6 that show a lot of parallels with the opening of the seals.
The Day or Hour of the Rapture
- Being watchful means that thing could occur at any moment so-called tribulation saints are proof bible about Christians existing within Israel at the same time as well as the church at the same time.
- Pre-Tribulationists actually something that was key in which our Lord cometh israel and the church at the same time to me really coming into position.
The Regathering of Israel and the Great Tribulation
In this section, the speaker discusses the regathering of Israel and the Great Tribulation. He explains that these events are a part of God's plan for His chosen people and that they will occur before the rapture.
The Definition of "Tribulation"
- The word "tribulation" is used in many ways in the Bible.
- It can refer to general persecution or earthly worries, but it can also refer to the wrath of God.
- Depending on the context, "tribulation" can mean different things.
The Regathering of Israel
- The speaker explains that there is confusion surrounding who exactly this group is, but it refers to a remnant coming out of great tribulation.
- This regathering began with the creation of modern-day Israel in 1948 and continues to this day.
- Ezekiel prophesied about this regathering, which confirms the pre-wrath timeline.
- This regathering will happen before the rapture.
The Great Tribulation
- The Great Tribulation is a monumental event that will be marked by persecution under Antichrist's rule followed by modern state Israel.
- It begins just after midpoint and ends with defeat of Antichrist.
- Pre-Tribbers believe that Christians will escape through rapture during final seven-year period. However, according to Stitzinger, it is not true as there are tribulations saints who will face entire seven-year period when he used going to be the spiritual persecution of the Antichrist.
- The speaker argues that if you can show that God uses the word "tribulation" in future works with both Israel and the Church, specifically tribulation saints, then it confirms the pre-wrath rapture regarding this group.
Conclusion
- The speaker concludes by stating that there are many ways to show that tribulation saints must be those who face persecution under Antichrist's rule and not those who escape through rapture during final seven-year period.
The Origins of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory
This section discusses the origins of the pre-tribulation rapture theory and its historical context.
Early Church Views on the Rapture
- Giriu, who died in 1713, believed that Christ would come in the air to rapture the saints and return to heaven before the battle of Armageddon.
- Stitzinger notes that there is no sign of belief in an imminent rapture before Armageddon among any of the church fathers.
- Ice concludes that while he couldn't find any evidence of imminence in early church writings, seeds for pre-tribulationism were indeed present.
Pre-Tribulationism vs. Post-Tribulationism
- Post-tribulationists but pre-wrathers believe that the rapture will happen before the battle of Armageddon.
- Pre-conflagrationalists believed they would be raptured out of persecution during the middle period between the rapture and second coming.
- Most pre-tribulationalists believe that the church will suffer through some portion of tribulation before Christ's return.
Imminence and Early Church Views
- The idea of imminence is a brand new doctrine not found in early church writings.
- Larry Crutchfield argues that there is no unequivocal statement about imminence in early church writings.
- While many early fathers were largely pre-tribulationalists, they did not believe in a type of imminent coming where Christ's return was only hours or days away.
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