Interview with Trader Joe DEX Founder, Crypto Fish

Introduction to Trader Joe

In this section, Fish introduces himself as the co-founder of Trader Joe, one of the largest decentralized exchanges (DEX) on Avalanche, Arbitrum Ethereum, and Finance Smart Chain. He shares his background and how he transitioned from being a medical doctor to a crypto builder.

• Fish's crypto journey started in 2017 when he discovered Bitcoin a few months before the ICO boom.

• After experiencing ups and downs as a trader, Fish decided to focus on becoming a builder.

• He pursued a Master's degree in computer science and worked at Google before getting involved in the Avalanche ICO.

• Alongside a friend, Merlock, Fish started Trader Joe as a side project that eventually became their full-time endeavor.

The Origin of "Fish"

Fish explains the origin of his username "Fish" and its connection to his astrological sign Pisces and his love for seafood.

• Fish has always used "Fish" as his online name in computer games due to being born in March (Pisces) and having an affinity for seafood.

• When choosing a username for crypto, "Crypto Fish" felt like the most fitting choice.

Founding Trader Joe on Avalanche

Fish discusses why he chose Avalanche as the platform for founding Trader Joe.

• A friend who was heavily invested in Chainlink introduced Fish to Avalanche during its ICO phase.

• The friend emphasized Avalanche's potential as a fast and performant Layer 1 solution.

• Being relatively new with fewer established DeFi projects compared to Ethereum, Fish believed he could have more impact by contributing on Avalanche.

Growth of Trader Joe and Personal Journey

Fish reflects on the growth of Trader Joe and his personal journey as a content creator.

• The host mentions Fish's significant growth on Twitter, from around 5,000 followers to almost 60,000.

• Fish attributes his growth to consistently producing content related to news and statistics in the crypto space.

• He shares that he has been grinding hard since the bear market, experiencing steady growth in his following.

Content Strategy for Growth

Fish explains his content strategy for growing his online presence.

• Fish describes how he would analyze data from various sources like DeFi Lama, Token Terminal, Etherscan, etc., and share the most interesting findings as tweets.

• This consistent analysis and sharing of valuable insights helped him gain followers over time.

• The host compares Fish's strategy to that of another content creator called "DeFi Edge."

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Reflection on Founding a Decentralized Exchange

In this section, the speaker reflects on their experience founding a decentralized exchange and discusses how they got involved in the project.

Experience with Panda Swap

• The speaker invested heavily in a new decentralized exchange called Panda Swap on Avalanche.

• There were rumors of a smart contract bug, so the speaker offered to help find the bug as they had development experience.

• They discovered that none of the team members were actual developers, which shattered their perception of crypto developers.

Realization and Opportunity

• Despite the crowded space, the speaker realized that creating a decentralized exchange wasn't as difficult as they initially thought.

• They believed they could create a better exchange than existing ones on Avalanche.

• The speaker saw an opportunity to innovate and differentiate themselves through branding and user experience.

Factors Contributing to Success

This section explores the factors that contributed to the success of the speaker's decentralized exchange.

Quantitative Approach to Emissions

• The speaker's team focused on thinking about emissions in a quantitative way, considering factors like volume and incentives for different pools.

• They hired someone skilled in modeling emissions and expected TVL (Total Value Locked).

Branding and UI/UX

• The branding and user interface/user experience (UI/UX) played a significant role in attracting users.

• Trader Joe, the mascot, brand story, and relatable persona resonated with people.

• Even with just a landing page featuring graphics, users were drawn to their brand.

Importance of Branding

This section emphasizes the importance of branding when entering a crowded market space.

Standing Out Through Branding

• In crowded markets, it is crucial to stand out through branding, marketing, and messaging.

• If the product itself doesn't stand out, the brand can make a difference.

Lessons Learned and Starting Again

The speaker reflects on their journey and whether they would do anything differently if starting again.

No Regrets

• The speaker believes they did everything as well as possible and shattered their expectations.

• They experienced rapid growth without significant struggles in the early stages.

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Focusing on Treasury Management

The speaker discusses the importance of securing runway for the project and the need for cash to survive in the market.

Treasury Management and Cash Flow

• It is important to secure more runway for the next few years.

• The speaker mentions feeling embarrassed about selling at a low price during previous market highs.

• Founders often feel guilty about selling tokens but also recognize the need for cash to sustain the project.

• Cash flow is crucial for survival, especially during bear markets.

• Dumping all tokens at once can negatively impact holders and cause a massive price drop.

• Selling tokens gradually over time is considered a better approach.

Surviving the Bear Market

The speaker explains how their project was able to survive during a bear market when many other protocols did not.

Raising Funds and Team Strength

• The project raised funds twice, even when they didn't necessarily need it initially.

• Having enough cash reserves was seen as essential by one of the co-founders.

• The strength of their team played a significant role in surviving the bear market.

• Despite token prices dropping significantly, there was never a sense of disbanding or low morale within the team.

Starting a New Project

The speaker shares their thoughts on starting a new project in today's crypto landscape.

Consumer-Facing Apps and DEXes

• The speaker expresses an interest in consumer-facing apps and decentralized exchanges (DEXes).

• They mention that DEXes have more potential for generating revenue through fees compared to spot DEXes.

• Starting a sex or perex platform is considered an interesting opportunity due to potential profitability.

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New Section

In this section, the speaker discusses the potential of being a top player in the DeFi space and the sustainability of Trader Joe as a business.

Trader Joe's Position in the DeFi Space

• Being in the top five or even top ten in the world of DeFi is considered successful and sustainable.

• There are no immediate plans to branch out Trader Joe in a different direction, but it remains a possibility.

New Section

This section focuses on explaining what Trader Joe's Concentrated Liquidity Book is and how it differs from the standard Uniswap model.

Concentrated Liquidity Book vs Standard Uniswap Model

• The liquidity book, also known as Joe B2, is a concentrated liquidity automated market maker (AMM).

• Instead of using the constant product formula XY = k like Uniswap, Trader Joe discretizes the entire price range into bins governed by the constant sum formula X + Y = K.

New Section

This section highlights some differences between Trader Joe's liquidity book and Uniswap V3.

Differences between Liquidity Book and Uniswap V3

• All liquidity positions in Trader Joe's liquidity book are fungible, unlike Uniswap V3 where they are non-fungible tokens (NFTs).

• The liquidity shapes in Trader Joe's liquidity book are highly customizable compared to defaulting to a uniform distribution in Uniswap V3. Different shapes like Gaussian or inverse can be chosen.

• Trader Joe's liquidity book allows for more sophisticated market-making strategies that may be challenging to implement in Uniswap V3.

• Trader Joe's liquidity book supports limit orders, while Uniswap V3 only has range orders.

New Section

This section discusses how the liquidity book is a key differentiator for Trader Joe and its long-term plans.

Liquidity Book as a Key Differentiator

• The liquidity book is a main part of Trader Joe's strategy to differentiate itself from other decentralized exchanges (DEXes).

• The power of the liquidity book lies in the ability to build additional features on top of it, such as aut pools and other upcoming products.

• Trader Joe is working on another product that will cater more to long-tail tokens and further showcase the capabilities of the liquidity book.

New Section

In this section, the speaker provides a preview of an upcoming product built on the liquidity book.

Upcoming Product Built on Liquidity Book

• An example mentioned is the Lotus token, which utilizes the liquidity book to create interesting token mechanics like risk-free value at certain price points.

• The speaker hints at more exciting developments but keeps further details about this upcoming product confidential.

New Section

This section focuses on Trader Joe's cross-chain compatibility and its volume distribution across multiple chains.

Cross-chain Compatibility and Volume Distribution

• Trader Joe is cross-chain compatible, allowing users to trade assets across different blockchain networks.

• The speaker mentions that volume on Trader Joe primarily comes from Avalanche but also highlights the substantial volume from other chains like Arbitrum.

• The decision to expand to new chains is based on cultural alignment and brand resonance with the target chain's community.

New Section

This section delves into the process of selecting which chains to expand Trader Joe onto.

Selecting Chains for Expansion

• The speaker emphasizes the importance of cultural alignment and brand resonance when deciding which chains to expand Trader Joe onto.

• Each chain has its own unique culture and brand, and it is crucial to consider whether it aligns with Trader Joe's values and target audience.

• The decision-making process within the team may involve conflicting views, but ultimately, they aim for a cohesive brand experience across different chains.

Trader Joe's Plan to Grow on Ethereum

In this section, the speaker discusses Trader Joe's plan to grow on Ethereum and the challenges they face in competing with established players.

Challenges in Competing on Ethereum

• Deploying on Ethereum has not been successful for Trader Joe, as they are not generating significant volume.

• It is difficult to compete with established giants on Ethereum who have a strong network effect.

• Even if Trader Joe's product is superior, it would need to be significantly better for users to switch their liquidity.

• The long block times and high gas fees on Ethereum make it challenging to build a performant DEX.

Focus Away from Ethereum

• Currently, Trader Joe is not concentrating on Ethereum due to the effort required and limited potential returns.

• They believe that building a dream DEX with optimal performance may not be possible on Ethereum.

• There is a possibility that the hub of DeFi could shift to another blockchain in the future.

Decrease in Ethereum's Dex Volume

• Recently, there has been a decline in Ethereum's share of DEX volume by 30% to 35%.

• While Ethereum still dominates trading ETH and meme coins, more complex DeFi activities are happening on other chains like Arbitrum and Optimism.

Expansion Plans for Trader Joe

This section focuses on Trader Joe's potential expansion plans beyond its current offerings.

Partnerships with Institutions and Permissioned Subnets

• Trader Joe has engaged in conversations with various stakeholders regarding partnerships and expansion into permissioned subnets.

• However, concrete plans have not yet been finalized due to bureaucratic processes involved in compliance.

Vision for Small Joe's NFT Project

Here, the speaker explains the vision behind Small Joe's NFT project and its intended purpose.

Small Joe's as a Fun PFP Project

• Small Joe's NFT project was initially designed to be a fun profile picture (PFP) that people can vibe with.

• There is no roadmap for the project, and it is not planned to have any utility or revenue-sharing features.

• The focus of Small Joe's is on community, memes, and finding like-minded individuals online.

Consequences of Joe Emissions Ending

This section discusses the implications of ending Joe emissions for Trader Joe.

Token Incentives and Marketing Spend

• Ending Joe emissions does not mean Trader Joe has no tokens left. They still have tokens in their treasury.

• Tokens will be used strategically to incentivize volume and considered as marketing spend when necessary.

Staking Options for Joe Token

Here, the speaker explains the staking options available for Joe token holders.

S-Joe Staking

• S-Joe is a vault where users can stake their Joe tokens.

• Currently, users can stake their tokens as S-Joe but cannot stake them as R-Joe or V-Joe.

New Section

In this section, the speaker discusses the decision to remove VJ (Arjo) due to its complexity and the preference for simplicity in tokenomics. There are no plans for future utility at the moment.

Removal of VJ (Arjo)

• The decision was made to remove VJ (Arjo) due to its complexity.

• Tokenomic trends suggest that it is best not to chase complicated utility options.

• While some people may like having multiple options with their tokens, simplicity is preferred in this case.

• There are currently no plans for future utility, but if a new product generates revenue, it could be distributed among token holders.

New Section

The speaker reflects on how trends in the crypto market can quickly change and emphasizes the importance of not getting caught up in chasing every trend. They mention that while V-curve was popular last year, it is not necessarily the best solution for every token.

Changing Trends in Crypto Market

• Trends in the crypto market can quickly shift from being popular one minute to losing popularity the next.

• Last year, there was a lot of hype around V-curve as the way forward.

• However, it became apparent that V-curve was not suitable for every token.

• It is important not to get caught up in chasing trends and instead focus on what works best for each specific token.

New Section

The speaker explains that there are currently no plans for future utility with their tokens. However, if a new product is developed that generates revenue, there may be potential for utility distribution among token holders.

Future Utility Plans

• At present, there are no plans for future utility with their tokens.

• If a new product is created and generates revenue, there may be a possibility of distributing utility back to token holders.

• The focus is on keeping things simple and easy to understand for users.

New Section

The speaker discusses the difficulty in finding a better utility than real yield and mentions that simplicity and ease of understanding are important factors when considering utility options.

Finding Better Utility

• Real yield is considered a strong utility option.

• It is challenging to come up with a better utility than real yield.

• Simplicity and ease of understanding are key factors in determining utility options.

• The speaker acknowledges that it can be tough to find a more compelling utility than real yield.

New Section

The speaker asks for the other person's opinion on exciting developments in the market, particularly related to different blockchain chains. They discuss their perspectives on various chains they are bullish on.

Exciting Developments in the Market

• The speaker asks for the other person's opinion on exciting developments in the market.

• They mention spending time researching different blockchain chains.

• The other person shares their perspective, mentioning being bullish on Arbitrum, Solana, and Avalanche.

• Solana is viewed as a promising platform for NFTs and has seen interesting DeFi projects recently.

• Avalanche is also considered promising, especially for gaming-related projects and institutional partnerships.

New Section

The speaker continues discussing their perspective on different blockchain chains they are bullish on. They mention being interested in newer ones like ZK Sync and Monad.

Bullish Chains

• The other person expresses interest in newer blockchain chains like ZK Sync and Monad.

• ZK Sync is viewed positively but its success depends on attracting enough projects and real users over time.

• Monad is described as very interesting, with ongoing due diligence being conducted.

• The speaker shares their perspective on the importance of scalability and generating usage for blockchain chains.

New Section

The speaker discusses the potential for innovation in DeFi, particularly in options trading. They express their thoughts on the complexity of options and their personal interest in Perp (Perpetual Protocol).

Innovation in DeFi

• The speaker acknowledges that people often talk about a lack of innovation in DeFi.

• Options trading is mentioned as a potential area for growth, but it has been hindered by complexity.

• Understanding options strategies and payoff schemes can be challenging for many users.

• The speaker expresses personal interest in Perp (Perpetual Protocol) and views it as an area with potential for growth.

New Section

The speaker shares their perspective on the future of DeFi, emphasizing the importance of infrastructure and exchanges to support various use cases.

Future of DeFi

• The speaker believes that a significant portion of crypto activity will shift from centralized exchanges to on-chain platforms like decentralized exchanges (DEXs).

• They view DeFi infrastructure as crucial for supporting different use cases such as gaming and AI-related projects.

• Exchanges play a vital role in facilitating token trading and liquidity across various applications.

• While options trading may have its place, the focus is more on building robust infrastructure to support diverse use cases.

New Section

The speaker discusses their preference for spot trading over perpetual swaps (perps) due to their focus on building a business rather than constantly monitoring trades.

Spot Trading vs. Perpetual Swaps

• The other person mentions being more focused on spot trading rather than perpetual swaps (perps).

• They prefer borrowing against spot holdings with modest leverage instead of actively trading perps.

• The speaker agrees and shares their perspective on the challenges of constantly monitoring trades while trying to build a business in the industry.

New Section

The speaker discusses the potential growth of perpetual swaps (perps) and their long-term thesis about tokenization and increased on-chain activity.

Growth of Perpetual Swaps

• The other person believes that perpetual swaps (perps) have significant growth potential.

• They mention the increasing number of perp options available and anticipate further expansion.

• The speaker shares their long-term thesis, which includes more assets being tokenized on-chain and a larger proportion of crypto activity happening on decentralized platforms.

• They view DeFi infrastructure, including perps, as essential for supporting various use cases within the ecosystem.

The Stress of Content Creation

In this section, the speaker discusses the stress and challenges of being a content creator, particularly on platforms like Twitter. They highlight the constant need to be alert and reactive, which can lead to stress and sleep disturbances.

Challenges of Content Creation

• Being a content creator is a highly stressful job that requires constant attention and being on top of everything on Twitter.

• Scrolling through Twitter can become addictive and time-consuming, leading to difficulty in getting back to sleep.

• Social media addiction is a real issue that content creators face.

• Shifting focus towards YouTube and newsletters can be a better use of time as videos have a longer lifespan compared to tweets.

Challenges of Twitter Spaces

In this section, the speaker discusses their experience with Twitter Spaces and highlights the challenges it presents. They mention the preparation required for hosting spaces and how it can take up a significant amount of time.

Challenges of Hosting Spaces

• Hosting spaces on Twitter is more demanding than it may seem, requiring hours of preparation.

• Participating in spaces can take up a substantial portion of one's day.

• It is comparable to having a full-time job due to the time commitment involved.

• Public speaking skills are essential when engaging in spaces.

Respect for NFT Creators

In this section, the speaker expresses admiration for NFT creators who dedicate long hours to participating in spaces. They emphasize that monologuing for extended periods is not an easy task.

Admiration for NFT Creators

• NFT creators who spend several hours per day participating in spaces deserve respect for their dedication.

• Monologuing for extended periods while maintaining engagement is challenging and stressful.

• The misconception that participating in spaces is an easy job undermines the effort and skill required.

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