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Interview with Keiko Fujimori

Introduction to the Interview

• Jaime Bailey introduces the program and his guest, presidential candidate Keiko Fujimori, who is in Lima while he is in Miami.

• Keiko Fujimori's background is briefly outlined: she is 45 years old, a former First Lady, congresswoman, and this marks her third presidential candidacy.

Clarification on Travel Permissions

• Keiko addresses potential political suspicions regarding her travel permissions and clarifies that she has legal authorization to leave Peru.

• She emphasizes that she prefers to avoid misunderstandings about her travel status and mentions that she only requests permits for internal campaigning.

Reflection on Past Interviews

• Jaime recalls their last interview from February 28, 2010, noting the significant time gap of 11 years since they last spoke.

• Keiko acknowledges their history together and reflects on Jaime’s support during her previous electoral campaigns.

Discussion of Political Relationships

• Jaime expresses disappointment in Keiko's recent political actions and comments on their past relationship where she thanked him after losing an election.

• He questions whether his lack of support might be beneficial for her current campaign strategy.

Accountability in Leadership

• Jaime confronts Keiko about her leadership during critical moments when she had significant power as head of the opposition.

• He urges her to recognize areas where she could have performed better during her tenure in power.

Election Irregularities Discussion

• Keiko admits there were many things they could have done better during the election process.

• She discusses irregularities observed during elections, particularly concerning military voting restrictions and changes made at polling stations.

Reflections on Election Outcomes

• The conversation shifts to specific instances of alleged fraud or irregularities that affected voter turnout for Fuerza Popular.

• Both discuss how close margins (e.g., 40,000 votes difference), led to suspicions about the legitimacy of results.

Regrets Over Election Strategy

• Jaime critiques Keiko's decision-making post-election regarding recount requests and expresses concern over how it impacted public perception.

• They reflect on how close results justified a recount request which was not pursued effectively.

Kucinski's Political Dynamics and Personal Reflections

The Aftermath of the Election

• Kucinski's demeanor is described as somewhat vengeful and resentful, indicating emotional turmoil post-election.

• The speaker acknowledges significant efforts in the campaign but faced internal party resistance when announcing recognition of election results.

• Emphasizes the importance of democratic acknowledgment of results to facilitate Kucinski's formation of his working group.

Tensions with Kucinski

• Highlights a pivotal moment where Kucinski, before taking office, makes a controversial statement from Spain about inviting congress members from Fuerza Popular, perceived as a declaration of war.

• Reflects on personal pain caused by Kucinski’s derogatory remarks regarding familial connections to crime, suggesting deep emotional scars influencing political actions.

Opposition Leadership vs. Destitution Agenda

• Critiques the shift from being an opposition leader to focusing on destitution efforts against Kucinski, questioning whether this was beneficial for Peru.

• Recalls a more respectful interaction with former candidate Ollanta Humala compared to the contentious relationship with Kucinski post-election.

Consequences of Political Actions

• Discusses how personal attacks during the 2016 campaign influenced decisions not to extend formal greetings after election results were acknowledged.

• Argues that failing to maintain decorum may have led to worse outcomes for Peru following Kucinski’s resignation.

Reflection on Governance and Trust

• Notes that despite initial support for governance under Kucinski, tensions escalated leading to his eventual resignation amid threats of impeachment.

• Points out that while many legislative requests were granted initially, underlying issues remained unresolved until they culminated in political crises.

Acknowledgment of Personal Grievances

• Describes how accusations against Kucinski contributed to a broader coalition aimed at his potential removal from office.

• Acknowledges personal grudges but emphasizes understanding others' grievances within political contexts; recognizes mutual resentment towards past actions.

Moving Beyond Resentment

• Despite past imprisonments and hardships, expresses no lingering resentment towards Kucinski or those involved in her legal troubles; focuses on positive takeaways from difficult experiences.

Congressional Period and Political Dynamics

Governance Challenges and Confrontations

• The speaker emphasizes that their party, Fuerza Popular, was not in the executive power but aimed to provide governance during critical issues. However, confrontations arose when a vote of confidence was sought for a law rather than necessity.

• The speaker reflects on the decision to support the vacancy motion against President Kuczynski, indicating that it was a collective decision by their congressional group rather than an individual choice.

• They clarify their role in congressional votes, stating they do not have voting rights but lead debates; decisions are made by the bancada (party group).

• The speaker expresses that they would likely have voted for Kuczynski's removal due to ethical violations during his tenure as Minister of Economy.

Critique of Vizcarra's Presidency

• Acknowledging Vizcarra's presidency as significantly worse than Kuczynski’s, the speaker highlights public outrage towards Vizcarra and the damage he caused to Peru.

• They clarify that they did not support Vizcarra initially and only had limited conversations with him after he became president, emphasizing initial hopes tied to his provincial background and governance experience.

Reflections on Leadership Choices

• When asked if they believed Vizcarra would be detrimental before his election, the speaker admits uncertainty but recalls numerous allegations against him at that time.

• The segment concludes with a transition into commercial breaks while thanking Keiko Fujimori for her presence.

Public Perception and Youth Engagement

Addressing Youth Sentiment

• In response to why many young Peruvians dislike her, Keiko acknowledges past imprisonment experiences may contribute to negative perceptions but hopes for open dialogue about her government plan.

Overcoming Adversity in Politics

• Keiko shares an anecdote about engaging with a skeptical young voter who ultimately agreed to evaluate her candidacy after discussing complex issues together.

Campaign Financing Controversies

Allegations of Improper Funding

Investigation Process and Political Contributions

Misinterpretation and Legal Consequences

• The speaker references the investigation process, highlighting how a misinterpreted word or tweet has led to legal repercussions, including the request for their freedom's annulment.

• They express an inability to answer questions regarding the investigation due to legal advice, mentioning a past meeting with Dionisio Romero.

Transparency in Campaign Financing

• The speaker contrasts their open support for Jaime with others who operate clandestinely, emphasizing transparency in political contributions.

• They explain that electoral spots on television are funded through public budgets allocated based on party registration and congressional representation.

Financial Scrutiny and Allegations

• The speaker discusses extensive financial analyses conducted over ten years by five forensic experts, asserting no patrimonial imbalance was found between them and their spouse.

• They acknowledge receiving significant funds from private companies like Odebrecht in 2011 but stress that these were not declared properly.

Perceptions of Privilege

• A perception exists among youth that the speaker is privileged due to familial connections and has not worked hard; they counter this by discussing their charitable work as First Lady.

• The speaker defends their work during their time as First Lady, citing involvement in children's foundations despite criticisms of being inactive politically.

Career Transition and Political Engagement

• After her father's presidency, the speaker transitioned into business before entering politics again, indicating a desire for personal growth through education.

• She recounts starting her master's degree but postponing it to run for Congress after being invited by party leadership.

Balancing Family Life with Political Aspirations

• Upon election in April 2006 with record votes, she utilized maternity leave while balancing family responsibilities with political duties.

• Despite perceptions of inactivity during her congressional term due to maternity leaves, she clarifies that such licenses were common among candidates seeking re-election.

Building a Political Party

• The speaker emphasizes the effort required to establish and grow Fuerza Popular (Popular Force), highlighting extensive travel across Peru for political training initiatives.

Political Contributions and Allegations of Corruption

Discussion on Political Funding

• The speaker discusses the financial support received during Humala's presidency, suggesting two interpretations: reliance on leftover contributions or mandatory tithes from congress members.

• The speaker clarifies that political parties contribute voluntarily to their institutions, emphasizing that they receive a salary from private accounts for their work.

Obligations and Voluntary Contributions

• A debate arises regarding whether congress members are obligated to give a percentage of their salaries; the speaker insists it is voluntary and common across all parties.

• Concerns are raised about potential subordination in these contributions, equating it to a lack of democracy and likening it to a monolithic dictatorship.

Party Formation and Future Generations

• The speaker reflects on the evolution of their party over time, highlighting participation in multiple campaigns and expressing pride in training young candidates for Congress.

• Despite facing potential electoral defeat, the speaker emphasizes their commitment to nurturing future political leaders rather than stepping away from politics entirely.

Current Political Landscape

Polling Positions and Candidate Comparisons

• The discussion shifts to current polling positions, with three candidates identified as fujimoristas. The implications of this shared affiliation are explored.

• Acknowledgment is made regarding historical ties between certain candidates (López Aliaga and Hernando de Soto) and Fujimori's legacy.

Historical Context of Dictatorship Claims

• Tensions rise as the conversation touches upon accusations against Fujimori being labeled a dictator; differing perspectives on his governance style emerge.

• The speaker defends Fujimori’s election legitimacy while acknowledging moments of authoritarianism during his rule.

Election Integrity Debate

• A critical examination occurs regarding Fujimori's actions post-election victories, with claims made about his transition into dictatorship following congressional closure.

• Comparisons are drawn between different dictatorships globally, stressing that not all authoritarian regimes share similar characteristics or ideologies.

Fraud Allegations in Elections

• Discourse continues around allegations of electoral fraud during Fujimori’s tenure; contrasting views highlight ongoing disputes over election integrity.

Candidacy and Personal Reflections

Discussion on Candidacy

• The speaker, Keiko Fujimori, addresses allegations regarding her father's candidacy being fraudulent but prefers to focus on discussing her own proposals.

• A personal question is posed about her wedding in 2004, specifically if there were any guests she regretted inviting. She responds that she has not thought about it much.

Reflections on Marriage

• Keiko mentions having been married for over 16 years and indicates that while some people may have "crashed" the wedding, she does not regret any invitations.

Promotion of Investment Seminar

• An advertisement for an investment seminar titled "Creando Riqueza" is introduced, emphasizing its relevance due to the pandemic and online format.

• The seminar is scheduled for March 27 and 28, providing a month for interested participants to register.

Personal Challenges and Growth

Psychological Support

• Keiko discusses her experiences with therapy throughout her life, acknowledging moments of psychological support from professionals.

Coping with Adversity

• Reflecting on difficult times during incarceration, she emphasizes the importance of her daughters as motivation to persevere through challenges.

Grief and Empathy

• She expresses sorrow over Alan García's suicide and shares how it affected her emotionally; she reached out to convey condolences through social media.

Lessons from Incarceration

Emotional Impact of Visits

• The most meaningful visits during her time in prison were from her daughters and husband, which provided emotional support.

Learning Experience in Prison

• Keiko describes prison as a transformative experience rather than purely destructive; she highlights a book by Huber Lancier that influenced this perspective.

Reading as a Tool for Reflection

• She mentions reading various books during imprisonment including works by Mario Vargas Llosa and self-help literature.

Spiritual Journey

Embracing Faith

• During incarceration, Keiko decided to read the Bible thoroughly as part of utilizing time effectively while imprisoned.

Connections Made in Prison

Interactions with Other Inmates

• She acknowledges meeting Susana Villarán in prison but notes their interaction was brief due to Villarán's transfer shortly after arrival.

Learning New Skills

Reflections on Incarceration and Personal Growth

The Impact of Incarceration

• The speaker reflects on their past experiences with humor from peers, indicating a desire to learn and grow despite the challenges faced in prison.

• Initially questioning their presence in prison, they shift to asking what they are meant to learn from this experience, highlighting a transformative mindset.

• They reference biblical teachings about remembering the marginalized, emphasizing the need for reform within the penitentiary system based on their insights gained during incarceration.

Compassion for Suffering Individuals

• The speaker expresses concern for individuals suffering from degenerative diseases who seek dignity in death, arguing against dismissive attitudes towards their plight.

• They express solidarity with Ana Estrada's suffering but clarify their disagreement with judicial resolutions regarding life and death decisions.

Perspectives on Life and Death Decisions

• The speaker advocates for finding ways to support individuals in maintaining life rather than succumbing to despair, suggesting that there may still be joy or motivation to be found.

• They clarify that any resolution regarding life-ending choices should remain personal and not generalized across all cases.

Family Dynamics Amidst Political Distances

• Discussing familial relationships strained by political differences, the speaker notes that while political discussions ceased due to disagreements, family care continued consistently.

• A reconciliation process began after both parties recognized the importance of unity over division during times of hardship.

Political Disagreements and Their Consequences

• The main political rift arose during candidate evaluations in 2011 when differing opinions led to public disagreements between the speaker and their father.

• This public disagreement resulted in a painful realization for both parties about perceptions of control within their relationship.

Ongoing Connections Despite Challenges

• Despite physical separation due to imprisonment, communication remained frequent through calls, especially with younger family members who maintained contact.

• Reflecting on past hardships related to family visits during incarceration highlights emotional struggles tied to familial bonds amidst legal battles.

Reflections on Past Relationships

• Clarifying misconceptions about gifts received from Montesinos during her time as First Lady; she asserts no personal gifts were ever given directly.

Reflections on Political Challenges and Aspirations

Role as First Lady and Judicial Proceedings

• The speaker discusses their responsibilities as the First Lady, emphasizing a commitment to stay in the country to avoid speculation regarding potential flight risks.

• Expresses feelings of anxiety during judicial proceedings, particularly when anticipating a preventive prison sentence, indicating a strong emotional response to legal challenges.

• Remembers a past visit from Jaime in Miami, highlighting personal connections amidst political turmoil and discussing the financial origins of her home.

Political Landscape and Election Dynamics

• Shares enthusiasm about participating in future programs post-election, expressing hope for public engagement and connection with supporters.

• Discusses preferences for candidates in the upcoming election but refrains from making definitive choices, suggesting that the Peruvian people will make informed decisions.

Party Dynamics and Candidate Viability

• Mentions ongoing legal processes affecting party candidates' eligibility, advocating for fair competition among all candidates to ensure democratic choice.

• Highlights the importance of public opinion in determining candidate viability, especially focusing on those who have led in polls over time.

Ideological Alignment and Future Aspirations

• Identifies Hernando de Soto as a candidate with ideological alignment but emphasizes shared values with others who defend constitutional principles against radical leftism.

• Responding to questions about future candidacy if unsuccessful this year, she promises clarity after April 11th while inviting further dialogue.

Closing Remarks on Governance Vision

• Acknowledges the responsibility of conducting an interview that balances seriousness with friendliness while aiming for electoral success.