Episode 87: Building Heroes

New Section

This section includes the introduction and setting of the podcast.

Introduction and Setting

• The host, Rap, is streaming live on YouTube for Adventures in D5 Kingdoms.

• Rap is going solo for this episode as Nindorf is traveling.

• The purpose of the podcast is to do some hero building and have a casual chat with viewers.

• Viewers are encouraged to leave comments on YouTube for interactive discussion.

New Section

In this section, Rap discusses his focus on hero summoning and the strategies he has developed based on information from other players.

Hero Summoning Strategies

• Rap wants to dive into more detail about hero summoning.

• He mentions that other YouTubers have made videos about this topic recently.

• The adfk clan has been working on hero summoning for a long time.

• Rap recommends checking out their Discord server for more information (link provided in the YouTube description).

• He has built a plan based on insights from Mean Machine's articles and discussions with other players like Box Light Chats and Bob Nothing.

• Rap focuses primarily on passive abilities rather than active abilities because he believes they will be more valuable in PvP gameplay due to an expected action economy in the game.

• His main focus is on tanks with second life ability, such as warrior knights or paladins, as well as damage dealers with Giant Slayer ability.

• He aims to obtain Mythic heroes with elite plus abilities but also considers rares if they have desired abilities since they can be competitive in early PvP stages.

New Section

In this section, Rap explains his approach to hero building and his preferred classes.

Preferred Classes for Hero Building

• Rap prefers tank classes with second life ability, including warrior knights and paladins.

• He mentions that even a pirate can be built as an off-tank.

• Rap recommends reading Mean Machine's article on summoning with greater Vigor stones for more insights into hero building strategies.

New Section

In this section, Rap discusses the importance of passive abilities and their potential impact in PvP gameplay.

Focus on Passive Abilities

• Rap believes that every hero class feels awesome in the game, thanks to the wisdom Labs team's efforts.

• He thinks there will be an action economy in the game, where players have multiple moves and choices to make during their turns.

• Active abilities may come at a premium, especially early on in the game.

• Therefore, Rap focuses on passive abilities as he believes they can provide marginal advantages and help optimize gameplay strategies.

New Section

In this section, Rap shares his thoughts on specific classes and rarities for hero building.

Specific Classes and Rarities

• Rap suggests considering tanks with second life ability (warrior knights or paladins) as primary tanks for hero building.

• He also mentions that pirates can be built as off-tanks if they have Mythic rarity with desired abilities.

• For damage dealers, he aims for heroes with Giant Slayer ability.

• When it comes to summoning rarities, Rap plans to target rares but acknowledges that getting lucky with legendaries or mythics would be great too.

• He believes rares can be competitive in early PvP stages until higher levels when mythics and legendaries start outclassing them.

Mythic Class and Abilities

The speaker discusses the challenges of controlling both class, abilities, subclass, and stones when using a Mythic hero. They suggest that with a Mythic hero, it may not be necessary to have a matching subclass.

• It can be difficult to control all aspects of a character with a Mythic rarity.

• Matching the primary class and subclass is important for other rarities but may not be as crucial for Mythics.

Rare and Legendary Classes

The speaker suggests focusing on getting the primary class and subclass to match for rare and legendary heroes. They mention that Capstone abilities feel like another Elite ability or another Elite.

• For rare and legendary heroes, it is recommended to prioritize matching the primary class and subclass.

• Capstone abilities are powerful and should be considered as additional Elite abilities.

Meta Considerations

The speaker mentions that the meta can influence which combinations of classes work well together. However, since information about the meta is not available at present, it is challenging to predict optimal combinations.

• The meta can favor certain class combinations such as dark knight priest or paladin pirate.

• Currently, there is limited information available about the meta.

Importance of Primary Class/Subclass Match

The speaker emphasizes the significance of having matching primary class/subclass for "pure" heroes (primary class matches subclass). They mention that these heroes have powerful abilities.

• "Pure" heroes with matching primary class/subclass have exceptionally strong abilities.

• Investing in high-summoned elite heroes with matching primary class/subclass is recommended.

Summoning Strategy

The speaker shares their summoning strategy which involves looking for high-summoned elite heroes in the tavern. They suggest getting multiple pairs of these heroes to try out their strategy.

• Look for heroes with 8 or 9 summons left and elite abilities in the tavern.

• Acquire several pairs of these high-summoned elite heroes.

Double Elites or Second Life

The speaker explains that the goal is to obtain double elites (elite abilities in both passive one and passive two) or second life by combining specific hero pairs. However, this process can be time-consuming and frustrating.

• Combine heroes with elite abilities to aim for double elites or second life.

• It may take multiple attempts to achieve the desired results.

Variance and Probability

The speaker discusses the variance and probability involved in summoning heroes with desired abilities. They mention that while it can be frustrating, playing the numbers game over a large number of summons can increase chances of success.

• There is a chance of not getting any elite abilities when combining certain hero pairs.

• The odds of obtaining specific abilities vary, but statistically, favorable outcomes should occur more frequently.

Importance of Level Five

The speaker emphasizes leveling up heroes to level five as it provides a bonus stat point. They suggest pairing level five heroes with regular stones or greater stones for increased power early in the game.

• Leveling up heroes to level five grants a bonus stat point.

• Combining level five heroes with regular stones or greater stones increases early-game power.

Value from Stragglers

The speaker advises utilizing lower-tier legendary heroes that have recessive versions of desired abilities by throwing them into the pit. This allows for a chance at mutation and potentially obtaining desired abilities.

• Lower-tier legendary heroes with recessive versions of desired abilities can be thrown into the pit.

• There is a chance for mutation and obtaining desired abilities through this process.

Probability of Elite Abilities

The speaker discusses the probability of obtaining elite abilities in both passive one and passive two. They mention that using the adfk website can provide accurate percentages for these probabilities.

• The chance of getting an elite ability in both passive one and passive two is around 15%.

• The probability of summoning second life is approximately 7%.

• The adfk website provides detailed percentages for these probabilities.

Bob Nothing Approach

The speaker mentions following the "Bob Nothing" approach, which involves summoning heroes with double elites or second lives and then leveling them up to level five. This approach allows for flexibility in choosing stat priorities based on the evolving meta.

• Following the "Bob Nothing" approach involves summoning heroes with desired abilities and leveling them up to level five.

• Stat priorities can be adjusted based on the evolving meta.

Building Blocks at Level Five

The speaker explains that leveling heroes up to level five provides a significant power boost early in the game. They suggest waiting until level five before deciding on stone choices, as it allows for more flexibility based on meta changes.

• Leveling heroes up to level five grants a significant power boost.

• Stone choices can be adjusted at level five based on meta changes.

Uncertainty of Meta

The speaker acknowledges that it is impossible to predict what will be optimal in terms of stats due to uncertainty about the future meta. They advise being open to switching stones as needed.

• It is impossible to know which stats will be optimal due to uncertainty about the future meta.

• Being open to switching stones based on changing circumstances is recommended.

Gaining Value from Stragglers

The speaker suggests utilizing lower-tier heroes with recessive versions of desired abilities by throwing them into the pit. This allows for a chance at mutation and potentially obtaining desired abilities.

• Lower-tier heroes with recessive versions of desired abilities can be thrown into the pit.

• There is a chance for mutation and obtaining desired abilities through this process.

Example of Successful Mutation

The speaker shares a personal example of successfully mutating a legendary thief with an uncommon pirate to obtain the desired ability. They highlight that although the odds were low, luck played a role in achieving this outcome.

• A personal example is given where a legendary thief was successfully mutated with an uncommon pirate to obtain the desired ability.

• Despite low odds, luck can play a role in achieving successful mutations.

Stay Flexible and Maximize Value

The speaker discusses the importance of staying flexible and maximizing value in the system. They provide an example of burning out stragglers to gain the most value.

Staying Flexible

• It is important to stay flexible in order to maximize value in the system.

• Burning out stragglers can help gain the most value from the system.

Big Boy Summertime and Pairing Heroes

The speaker explains "Big Boy summertime" which occurs at Level five, where Heroes can be paired together. They discuss using a double Giant Slayer with a greater Stone for a higher chance of getting a hero with double Giant Slayer.

Big Boy Summertime

• At Level five, Heroes can be paired together.

• Using a double Giant Slayer with a greater Stone increases the chance of getting a hero with double Giant Slayer.

• Repeating this process multiple times increases the chances even further.

Building Up Heroes and Rarity Levels

The speaker emphasizes building up heroes over time and discusses different strategies for increasing rarity levels.

Building Up Heroes

• Building up heroes over time is important for long-term success.

• Having high rarity heroes, such as Mythic or Legendary, is desirable.

• Even rares can be strong if paired with regular Stones.

Importance of Stones in Summoning

The speaker highlights the importance of stones in summoning and explains their strategy regarding stone usage.

Importance of Stones

• Acquiring greater Stones is crucial for big boy summons at higher rarity levels.

• Lesser stones are used during stage two summoning.

• Investing in stones for elite ability summoning is recommended to avoid missing out on the benefits.

Choosing Not to Use Stones for Gen Zero Summons

The speaker explains their decision not to use stones for gen zero summons and discusses the cost-effectiveness of this strategy.

Not Using Stones for Gen Zero Summons

• Gen zero summons are profitable without using stones.

• The speaker chooses not to use stones for gen zero summons due to their high cost.

• Having a stone on high rarity heroes is important, even if it's a lesser stone.

Super Chat and Meeting in Real Life

The speaker acknowledges a super chat donation and expresses interest in meeting the person behind it in real life.

Super Chat and Meeting in Real Life

• The speaker receives a super chat donation and expresses gratitude.

• They express interest in meeting the person behind the donation in real life.

• They mention following content from 3xp and hope to meet during the next bull market.

Heroes Collection and Tools for Filtering

The speaker showcases their collection of heroes and introduces tools for filtering heroes based on rarity and elite abilities.

Heroes Collection and Filtering Tools

• The speaker shares their collection of heroes, including mythics, legendaries, tanks with Giant Slayer, etc.

• Tavern Data and ADFK offer paid features that allow filtering heroes based on rarity, class, and elite abilities.

• Filtering by elite abilities can help find specific heroes with desired traits.

Warrior Knight with Last Stand

The speaker mentions a legendary Warrior Knight with the ability Last Stand.

Pairing Night Warrior and Knight Thief

• The speaker has a Night Warrior and a Knight Thief, both with the ability Giant Slayer.

• They mention having to burn off one of the summons before pairing them.

• They plan to use the final summon in the dark summoning pit to guarantee another legendary.

Choosing a Hero to Summon

The speaker discusses choosing a hero to summon and burning off one of their remaining summons.

Filtering Options for Summoning

• The speaker opens their Excel sheet and filters by heroes with two summons remaining.

• They consider going for Giant Slayer or Last Stand abilities.

• They explore options such as a warrior with stun, double Last Stand on a tank, or giant slayer on an uncommon priest.

Valuing Elite Traits

The speaker discusses their preference for Elite traits over Advanced traits and seeks recommendations for pairing heroes.

Valuing Elite Traits

• The speaker values Elite traits more and aims to have two Elite traits on their heroes.

• They express interest in having both strong passive abilities and active abilities.

Choosing Between Priest and Warrior Pairing

The speaker considers whether to pair their hero with a priest or warrior based on ability matches and potential outcomes.

Considering Ability Matches

• There are two ability matches available when pairing the hero.

• The speaker leans towards pairing with the priest due to higher chances of getting second life as a passive trait.

• They discuss the possibility of missing out on desired traits when summoning in different slots.

Considering Upsides and Downsides

The speaker weighs the potential upsides and downsides of summoning with different heroes and traits.

Upsides and Downsides

• The speaker considers the chances of getting desired traits like double Last Stand or second life.

• They mention that when summoning in the same slot, the chances of missing out on passive traits are lower.

• They express a preference for getting at least one legendary offspring.

Final Decision and Summoning

The speaker makes their final decision on pairing with a priest and prepares to perform the summons.

Final Decision

• The speaker decides to pair their hero with a priest due to ability matches and higher chances of getting second life.

• They hide their Excel sheet and bring up the priest on screen.

Please note that these notes are based solely on the provided transcript.

Focusing on Ability over Class

The speaker expresses their preference for abilities over class when it comes to selecting a character. They mention that they would prefer a warrior, but are open to priests or scholars as well. They reveal that the figure Stone they obtained is an uncommon scholar Seer, which surprises them.

Evaluating the Rarity of the Scholar Seer

• The speaker expresses surprise at the rarity of the scholar Seer figure Stone they obtained.

• They mention that they were not expecting this outcome and had different expectations.

Pairing with Last Stand Ability

The speaker discusses their plan to pair the scholar Seer with another character who has the Last Stand ability from their list.

Finding a Character with Last Stand Ability

• The speaker plans to find another character from their list who has the Last Stand ability.

• They intend to pair this character with the scholar Seer in order to enhance their abilities.

Unexpected Outcomes and Planning Ahead

Despite not getting what they initially targeted, the speaker remains optimistic and discusses their next steps. They mention obtaining an advanced figure Stone and a Giant Slayer ability.

Assessing Unexpected Outcomes

• The speaker reflects on not getting what they initially aimed for but remains positive.

• They highlight obtaining an advanced figure Stone and a Giant Slayer ability as positive outcomes.

Giant Slayer Abilities in Heroes

The speaker realizes that one of their heroes must have had a Giant Slayer ability in Round 1, leading to interesting possibilities. They discuss the likelihood of passing down this ability through dominant and recessive traits.

Dominant and Recessive Giant Slayer Abilities

• The speaker deduces that their hero from Round 1 must have had a Giant Slayer ability.

• They speculate on the high likelihood of passing down the Giant Slayer ability through dominant and recessive traits.

Doubling Up on Giant Slayer Abilities

The speaker plans to create a hero with double Giant Slayer abilities by finding another hero with the same ability in passive one. They discuss the high probability of passing down this ability.

Creating a Hero with Double Giant Slayer Abilities

• The speaker intends to find another hero with the Giant Slayer ability in passive one.

• They plan to pair this hero with their existing hero to create a character with double Giant Slayer abilities.

Exploring Inventory for Heroes

The speaker mentions checking their inventory for any remaining heroes with a Giant Slayer ability in DR1 (passive one). They also mention upcoming podcast plans and an exciting announcement.

Checking Inventory for Heroes

• The speaker considers looking through their inventory for any remaining heroes with a Giant Slayer ability in DR1.

• They mention having some heroes left that may fit this criteria.

Podcast Plans and Announcement Teaser

The speaker shares information about an upcoming podcast episode, where they will make a big announcement. They hint at something they have been working on with one of their bandmates, Skillet.

Podcast Plans and Announcement Teaser

• The speaker announces an upcoming podcast episode next week.

• They mention having a big announcement and tease something they have been working on with Skillet, one of their bandmates.

Alpha Stages and Full Release Announcement

The speaker discusses their excitement about the alpha stages of a project they have been working on with Skillet. They mention a full release and announcement with giveaways coming soon.

Alpha Stages and Full Release Announcement

• The speaker expresses excitement about the progress of a project they have been working on with Skillet.

• They mention upcoming announcements, including giveaways, related to the project's full release.

Timestamps are approximate and may vary slightly.