The Liminal Café (Ep. 6: Tim Adalin)

Name: The Liminal Café (Ep. 6: Tim Adalin)
Uploaded: 2023-03-27T19:41:18.000Z
Duration: 2 h 56 min 27 s

Introduction

The speaker introduces the topic of finding specific information in podcasts and introduces a solution called fathom.fm.

Fathom.fm is a meta podcast platform that makes podcasts searchable, chapterizable, and transcribable.

It figures out which podcasts you should be listening to and which parts of those podcasts contain the answers to the questions you're interested in.

Fathom.fm uses AI to curate conversations and interfaces through automated dialogue processes.

Shutting Oneself Off

The speaker discusses different ways they have shut themselves off before and how they have learned to stay open while still respecting boundaries.

There are different ways of shutting oneself off, one being less open to stepping into openness or criticality when it might present for someone.

Another way is energetically attuning to some sense always holding open that possibility while still meeting someone where they're at.

Staying with family for many weeks can be necessary for recuperation but also challenging when an invitation is not met.

Hygiene and respect are involved in not trying to show everyone how open you can be. It's important not to make others suffer from that gap when you could make a tiny gesture to hold more of it on your side and make it easier.

Transformative Interactions

The speaker talks about transformative interactions with family, friends, or anyone who recognizes some malady or wound or damage.

Many interactions we have particularly with family with friends with anyone when there's a transformative potential might feel like that to the person who recognizes some malady or wound or damage.

There's a sense of necessity, and yet when a healing process or a transformative process obviously has to take time, there's a whole contextual follow-through and embedding of whatever that process is.

Discerning whether you are actually available to participate in some ongoing basis if you can take on that responsibility is important. It has been something which the speaker has been wrestling with and trying different approaches about for the last four to five years.

Relationship to Reality

In this section, the speakers discuss the best way to be in a relationship with reality and how it can offer perspective on cultural transformation. They also talk about why alternatives are difficult to achieve.

Unfolding Perspectives

The speakers discuss the importance of being in a relationship with reality.

They talk about different types of people who integrate perspectives or go all-in on each step.

The speakers mention that some people get stuck in weird circles while others complete a circle and arrive at their balanced perspective.

Processing Differences

The speakers discuss how easy it is to get stuck on a particular sense of difference when there was already a much deeper way those things were already in a right relationship.

They talk about the constraints that mediate disagreements and differences, especially when recording conversations.

The speakers mention that processing topics takes time, especially when there's dialectical or dialogical process involved.

Enabling Difference

The speakers discuss what context can enable the presencing of difference in a generative, loving, ethical, insightful, and creative way.

They recognize the contextual elements of how that process is enabled or disenabled, particularly in the context of the public.

The speakers mention experimenting with different membranes where access is given for enabling difference.

The Criticality of Integrity in Human Interactions

In this section, the speakers discuss the importance of maintaining integrity in human interactions, especially as it approaches criticality. They also touch on the need for intentional set and setting to achieve this.

Importance of Maintaining Integrity

It is important to maintain integrity in human interactions, especially as it approaches criticality.

Holding a field and extending that field through felt mutual resonance is necessary for holding multiple values together coherently.

A strong commitment to individually holding a field and extending that field through felt mutual resonance is required to get results that are emergent and livening.

Intentional Set and Setting

Achieving integrity in human interactions requires an intentional set and setting.

The presence of shared support for each other's imagination of what might be present can lend itself to achieving integrity.

Construction situations in meta fields are especially dependent upon the initial condition of what's going on for the person holding the field.

Appreciation for Being with Different Views

In this section, one speaker expresses their appreciation for another speaker's ability to embody a way of being with a wide plethora of people and views.

Embodying a Way of Being with Different Views

One speaker appreciates another speaker's ability to embody a way of being with different views.

There is a mutually held desire to articulate caring where that caring actually comes from some root that they have a shared participation in.

Some cultural commentators, like Sam Harris, are always ready to lay down a disagreement, while others embody a way of being with different views.

Time Horizon for Sharing Insights

In this section, the speakers discuss the time horizon required for sharing insights and helping each other see what they didn't before.

Sharing Insights

The speakers discuss the time horizon required for sharing insights and helping each other see what they didn't before.

There is a critical amount of saturation required to hold difference together at any scale of reality.

Holding multiple values together coherently requires a strong commitment to individually holding a field and extending that field through felt mutual resonance.

Reflections on the Importance of Gathering

In this section, the speaker reflects on the importance of gathering and how it enables the field. They discuss how it is settling and inspiring to connect with others and recognize where they are in relation to oneself.

The Strengthening of Voice

Stepping into trusting not knowing is key to strengthening one's voice.

Trusting that deeper thread is scary but necessary for success.

Returning to an integrated orientation point is critical for functioning.

Support from others undergoing the same process can enable collective insight.

Working with Teams

In this section, the speaker discusses working with teams and how it can increase success. They mention that feedback and support from a team can be helpful in finding one's way back when deviating.

Working with Teams

Working with teams increases odds of success.

Feeling held by a team when deviating increases chances of finding one's way back.

Teamwork massively increases success.

Connecting Return with Religion

In this section, the speaker asks how return could connect meaningfully with conversations about religion. They mention exploring religion as something that is not necessarily a religion and speak about return being enabled in context with others.

Connecting Return with Religion

Exploring religion as something that is not necessarily a religion.

Return being enabled in context with others.

Understanding Tilos

In this section, the speaker discusses the concept of tilos and its importance in understanding collective coming together.

The Notion of Tilos

Tilos is a concept that has been important to the speaker for a long time when considering questions related to collective coming together.

The speaker had a conversation with John Viveki about tilos, where he used the term and tried to clarify its meaning.

The speaker explains that tilos refers to self-making in perpetuity and involves returning to a fundamental orientation towards creativity and creation.

The way that tilos is held is performed as an embodied sense lives, which is key to defining it.

Religion That's Not a Religion

The speaker wonders if there's something being done with language that opens up new ways of seeing religion.

They discuss the idea of a religion that's not a religion, which can be seen as another way of saying actual religion.

It's important to have doors for every type of discourse so that people from different constituencies can participate in creating new sacred humanity.

Inter-religious Gnostic Task

There needs to be an inter-religious Gnostic task where esoteric networks take positions between religions and affirm them while also deploying health and wisdom tools quickly.

Generating Surplus Coherence

In this section, the speaker talks about generating surplus coherence within individuals and between individuals and culture. They discuss how this can lead to more resonance, energy, and motivation to solve problems.

Building Hierarchy of Resonances

The speaker discusses building a hierarchy of resonances to get back into a certain kind of groove that has a trajectory and horizon.

This trajectory may be imaginal or virtual but it shows a certain constellation of things to move towards.

The Telos is like a structural qualitative phenomenon that can take different forms depending on the good outcome we want to move towards.

All outcomes have in common the qualitative architecture of the Telos object.

Religion as a Transitionary Bridge

In this section, the speaker talks about religion as a transitionary bridge for people's contexts. They discuss how religious figures are doing something quite different from recognizing some essence that's deeper than any particular set of clothing.

Moving Towards Deeper Essence

The speaker expresses curiosity about moving towards moments where influence becomes wedded and welded into a particular way or tilos.

There is similarity between choosing the hill one dies on and committing oneself fully for what they believe in.

Religious figures are doing something quite different from recognizing some essence that's deeper than any particular set of clothing.

The Dynamic of Religionization

In this section, the speaker discusses his interest in the tension between different interpretations of Christianity and how it relates to the broader potentiality of creation. He also explores the potential for collapsing with too much rigidity on an appropriate way to treat religion.

Interest in Tension Between Different Interpretations

The speaker is fascinated by the tension between different interpretations of Christianity.

There are a number of proposals that look to engage with this dynamic.

Stakes seem continually to be raised in these moments of criticality.

Collapsing with Too Much Rigidity

There is potential for collapsing with too much rigidity on an appropriate way to treat religion.

The deep work of what would be shamanic or mystical will almost certainly be misperceived.

It's important to consider the ethics and integrity of treating this dynamic in a lived sense.

Phenomenon of Religionization

In this section, the speaker discusses how religionization grows where conditions are right and starts to expand and complexify. He also explores how there needs to be space for religious generativity and honoring different major styles that come through.

Religionization Grows Where Conditions Are Right

Religionization grows where conditions are right and starts to expand and complexify.

There are some people who naturally gravitate towards certain religions where they can co-develop skills together.

Space for Religious Generativity

There needs to be space for religious generativity and a great honoring of the different major styles that are coming in through.

It's important to ensure that all correspond as much as can be established to health and wisdom development.

The Importance of Health in Enabling Culture

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of health in enabling culture and how it affects our ability to come together as a society.

Health and Fundamental Needs

The speaker talks about how fundamental needs such as food, clean air, water, medicine, and other resources are necessary for good health.

Without meeting these fundamental needs, chaos can ensue within individuals and society as a whole.

The conversation becomes pragmatic when discussing concrete affordances of the process towards enabling a healthier world.

Institutions and Power Games

The speaker questions how institutions such as universities play into power games of continuation and revenue generation.

There are often misdirected orientations towards enabling culture becoming together for a healthier world.

Organizing is necessary to account for presence and welcome awareness of what sustains us.

Creating Conditions for Health

It is necessary to interact with the world in ways that create conditions for health.

Nobody has to worry about anybody else's plurality necessarily.

Openness to Conversation

In this section, the speaker talks about his desire to have conversations with people in a recorded context and the necessity for abstraction and clarity.

Desire for Openness

The speaker wants to have conversations with people in a recorded context.

He believes that some people are open to having longer conversations than an hour.

The speaker mentions Tyson Yonkapota, an indigenous scholar he spoke to recently.

Necessity for Abstraction

The speaker acknowledges the need for abstraction in conversation.

Clarity is necessary but can be difficult to achieve without abstraction.

There are tensions associated with this need for abstraction.

Optimal Exchange

In this section, the speaker discusses optimal exchange and how it can be achieved both online and offline.

Patterning for Different Circumstances

The speaker believes that there is a kind of patterning that can fit different circumstances.

There is an optimal exchange possible within any context, whether online or offline.

Both spaces require trying to get the best resonance possible.

Contextual Differences

In this section, the speaker talks about contextual differences and how they affect planning for a sacred feature for the species.

Planning for Different Contexts

The speaker emphasizes the importance of being aware of contextual differences when planning a sacred feature for the species.

It's important to be clear on what kind of Telos can be undertaken in different contexts.

There are many possibilities, such as whether or not the internet will still exist in 10 years or if something wipes out all electronics.

Accepting Failure

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of accepting failure and how it can be in service to creating goals.

Importance of Accepting Failure

The speaker believes that accepting failure is necessary to create goals.

It's important to accept the failure of any instantiated goal as absolutely necessary.

This acceptance can be in service to creating goals itself.

Mutual Relevance Realization Process

In this section, the speaker talks about engaging in a mutual relevance realization process and mentions Mr. Beast, a popular YouTuber.

Engaging in a Mutual Relevance Realization Process

The speaker expresses a desire to engage in a mutual relevance realization process.

He mentions Mr. Beast, one of the most influential beings on YouTube.

Mr. Beast has trained himself to nail retention throughout his videos by conforming himself to an algorithm.

Possible Frequency of Human Activity

The speaker discusses the possibility of influencing human activity and how it can be done.

Mr. Beast's Influence

Mr. Beast has a genuine desire to do good and give people money.

He is able to climb to the top of the attentional hierarchy by conforming with pre-established incentive structures.

There is a dynamic where someone who has played the game exquisitely has an incredible opportunity to remake an aspect of it.

Influence Mechanisms

Traditional modes of influence include shamanic sway, religious mobilization, and advisorship.

Automation may transform many influence mechanisms.

Lessons can be learned from those who have been captured by influence.

Wisdom Communities

People who need more# Possible Frequency of Human Activity

In this section, the speakers discuss the possible frequency and types of human activity.

Mr. Beast's Desire to Do Good

Mr. Beast has a genuine desire to do good and give people money.

He is re-instantiating the lottery as long as people pay attention to him by subscribing and paying their ticket.

However, his actions may be coming from a naive good place that can only do some good at the micro level.

It is unclear how much he can genuinely tap into transformative participation.

Influence Mechanisms

Intelligence operatives will be looking at everybody with influence to influence.

There are traditional modes in which influence shows up such as shaman swaying chieftains or matriarchs.

Fearful displays of ability to mobilize people religiously create some kind of influence.

Automation may transform many influence mechanisms.

Empowering Wisdom Communities

Wisdom communities need more shamatic Gnostic facilitators that work and need to be empowered as much as possible but stay off the radar as much as possible.

They need to have as much influence as they can without looking like they're standing up against social stress moves or intelligence agencies.