The future of AI in software development | Inbal Shani (CPO of GitHub)

The future of AI in software development | Inbal Shani (CPO of GitHub)

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In this section, the discussion revolves around the evolving role of AI tools in software development and the importance of shifting focus towards utilizing these tools for broader success beyond just code writing.

The Evolution of AI Tools in Software Development

  • Developers using AI tools need to shift their thinking towards leveraging these tools for overall success, moving beyond mere code writing to encompass a holistic approach.

Importance of Connected Systems in Development

  • Emphasis on connected systems is highlighted, indicating a shift where junior developers are now assisted by AI tools like co-pilot, allowing them to focus more on understanding systems and environments they are working on from the beginning.

Exploring Co-Pilot and Future Trends in Software Development

This segment delves into an exploration of Co-Pilot and other AI-based tooling for software engineers. It also touches upon future trends, overhyped and underhyped aspects of AI in software development, metrics for evaluating Co-Pilot's effectiveness, common mistakes when adopting AI, design philosophy behind Co-Pilot, leadership insights from Inbal Shani, and GitHub's trajectory as a product and organization.

Insights on Co-Pilot and AI Tooling

  • Discussion covers the endstate of Co-Pilot and other AI-based tools for software engineers.

Evaluating Overhyped vs. Underhyped Aspects of AI

  • Inbal Shani shares perspectives on overhyped elements such as generative AI replacing humans versus underhyped aspects within the current landscape.

The Role of Developer Happiness & Productivity with AI

This part focuses on how developer happiness and productivity are intertwined with their environment and dev tooling. The critical role of AI in enhancing developer experiences is emphasized along with considerations about human creativity vis-a-vis artificial intelligence.

Developer Happiness & Productivity Nexus

  • Developer happiness and productivity heavily rely on their environment and tooling; hence, integrating AI becomes crucial for enhancing these aspects.

Balancing Human Creativity with Artificial Intelligence

Generative AI in Software Development

In this section, the speaker discusses the role of generative AI in software development and emphasizes the importance of testing in the world of AI-driven code generation.

Generative AI as a Tool

  • The speaker highlights that generative AI should be viewed as a tool rather than a replacement for humanity.

Importance of Testing in AI-Driven Development

  • Testing is crucial in the context of generating more code efficiently through AI. The speaker calls for more focus on how companies can use AI to enhance testing processes.
  • Testing encompasses various aspects such as unit testing, integration testing, load testing, performance testing, security testing, and penetration testing. Leveraging AI to automate these tests can significantly improve efficiency.

Future of Software Development with Co-Pilot and AI Tools

This segment delves into how software development will evolve in the next three to five years with tools like Co-Pilot and emphasizes the continued need for human involvement alongside AI assistance.

Evolution of Software Development

  • Software engineers will not disappear but will need to adapt their thinking towards system architecture and leveraging AI tools effectively.
  • Developers must shift towards a broader perspective beyond mere code writing, focusing on systems thinking and connected experiences.

Impact on Junior Developers

  • Junior developers aided by AI assistants can dedicate more time to understanding systems and products rather than solely coding.

Integration of Hardware Development with AI

This part explores how hardware development will change due to the resource-intensive nature of AI technologies.

Hardware Optimization

  • With the significant resource demands of AI, there will be a greater emphasis on improving hardware components like CPUs and GPUs for efficient computation.

Statistics on Co-Pilot Usage

The speaker shares statistics highlighting the impact and adoption rate of Co-Pilot in software development.

Co-Pilot Statistics

  • Over 37,000 organizations and 1.5 million developers are using Co-Pilot, resulting in 55% faster code writing.

Tools for Software Development and AI Integration

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of software development tools, the importance of not replacing human input with AI, and the impact of AI integration on developer productivity.

Efficiency in Software Development

  • Companies should aim to make engineers more efficient without reducing their numbers.
  • Engineers cannot be replaced by AI; human input is essential in software development.
  • Developers spend minimal time writing code due to various additional tasks like testing and collaboration.

Benefits of Time Management

  • Giving developers more time benefits their well-being, collaboration, and innovation.
  • Experienced engineers appreciate tools like co-pilot for enhancing their skills significantly.

Challenges in Adopting AI in Workflows

The challenges faced by companies when integrating AI into workflows are discussed, emphasizing the need for a strategic approach rather than a rushed adoption.

Common Mistakes in AI Adoption

  • Companies expect magical changes with AI tools without proper change management processes.
  • Focus should be on solving customer problems using AI effectively rather than adopting it for the sake of having AI technology.

Learning from Experience

  • Understanding how to leverage AI based on specific needs leads to successful integration.
  • Incorporating AI should focus on improving workflow efficiency rather than just adding technology for the sake of it.

GitHub's Approach to Product Development

GitHub's unique approach to product development is highlighted, showcasing how they lead by example within their own platform.

GitHub's Operational Strategy

  • GitHub prioritizes internal use of features before external release across all teams.

Using GitHub for Product Development

In this section, the speaker discusses the integration of GitHub into product development processes and emphasizes the importance of testing tools internally before releasing them to customers.

GitHub Integration in Product Development

  • The product team at GitHub is among the early adopters of using GitHub for testing new features and functionalities.
  • Testing tools like chat and search are crucial, with the product team being one of the first users to ensure they meet requirements effectively.
  • Internal testing is prioritized to guarantee that tools are user-friendly before being made available to customers.

Design Philosophy of Co-Pilot

This part delves into the design philosophy behind Co-Pilot, focusing on aligning with customer needs and ensuring a seamless user experience.

Co-Pilot Design Principles

  • The design philosophy mirrors a customer-centric approach, aiming to understand developer needs and create an intuitive tool.
  • Developers' adoption is key; hence, tools must be easy to use without adding complexity or friction.
  • Collaboration between GitHub engineers and AI experts was pivotal in shaping Co-Pilot's design for enhanced efficiency and productivity.

Measuring Success Metrics for Co-Pilot

This segment explores the challenges of measuring efficiency gains in software development through metrics tailored to evaluate AI integration success.

Success Metrics Evaluation

  • Quality improvement through AI usage, such as enhancing code quality and security, serves as a primary success metric.
  • Developer productivity metrics encompass collaboration time gains leading to increased happiness among developers using Co-Pilot.

Help Bar: Enhancing User Experience

The Help Bar feature aims to streamline user experience by providing direct access to help content within the app, reducing search time and enhancing engagement.

Help Bar Functionality

  • Help Bar consolidates help content outside the app, offering quick access to answers within the application.
  • It integrates documentation from various sources like knowledge bases and blogs for comprehensive support.
  • Users can navigate the app and perform actions seamlessly using Help Bar, enhancing in-app engagement.

AI Collaboration with Co-Pilot

The discussion delves into the potential of AI collaboration tools like Co-Pilot in streamlining development processes and improving communication.

Leveraging AI for Development

  • Envisioning a future where AI aids in translating sketches into functional apps through tools like Co-Pilot.
  • Highlighting Co-Pilot's role as a collaboration tool that enhances communication clarity and reduces development cycles.
  • Emphasizing Co-Pilot as a universal language facilitator for seamless global collaboration among diverse stakeholders.

Balancing Automation with Developer Creativity

Exploring the balance between AI-driven automation and developer creativity in coding tasks.

Adapting to Automation

  • Reflecting on past technology shifts (e.g., C to Java to Python) and adapting coding practices to leverage evolving tools effectively.
  • Acknowledging individual preferences in utilizing AI tools creatively without a fixed approach, emphasizing personalization in tool usage.

Understanding the Evolution of AI

The speaker reflects on the evolution of AI, from specialized models to generative AI, and contemplates the future direction of AI development.

Evolution of AI

  • The speaker emphasizes the need for expertise and training in understanding how to tune a model, build simulations, ingest data, and focus on optimization.
  • Reflects on the evolution of AI from basic conversational devices to more democratized multi-turn conversational AI.

Future Direction of AI

  • Questions whether large language models will continue to dominate or if there is a new transformative technology on the horizon.
  • Predicts a shift towards hybrid models where specific AI models solve distinct problems alongside generative AI with limitations based on training sets.

Insights from GitHub's Co-Pilot Success

Discussion revolves around learning from GitHub's Co-Pilot success and strategies for fostering innovation within product teams.

Learning from Co-Pilot Success

  • Reflecting on GitHub's Co-Pilot success and its unexpected scale after starting as an experiment with data.
  • Emphasizes creating an environment that allows for experimentation, learning from failures, and innovating continuously.

Fostering Innovation

  • Discusses structuring product teams to encourage experimentation and innovation while being open to failures as part of the learning process.

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In this section, the speaker discusses the structure of innovation within their team at GitHub and emphasizes the importance of flexibility and organic idea generation.

Team Structure and Innovation Process

  • The team at GitHub focuses on innovation through a flexible approach rather than structured processes.
  • Innovation is not confined to a specific team but emerges from various sources such as field teams, product teams, design teams, and engineering teams.
  • The V Next team at GitHub, also known as GitHub Next, consists of research scientists who work on future software development innovations with a horizon of three to five years.
  • The V Next team engages in activities like writing papers, running experiments, and conducting proof-of-concepts (POCs) to invent the future of software development.
  • Collaboration between the V Next team, product teams, engineering teams, and customers ensures a synergy that drives innovation at GitHub.

Exploring Successful Innovation Teams

This section delves into the characteristics that contribute to the success of innovation teams like GitHub's V Next team compared to similar teams in other companies.

Key Elements for Success

  • GitHub's approach differs from other companies by focusing on having the right people with the right mindset and providing them with freedom to innovate.
  • Unlike unsuccessful innovation teams in other companies that remain disconnected from product development, GitHub emphasizes making ideas real and taking them to production efficiently.
  • Balancing future thinking with practical implementation is crucial for successful innovation teams. GitHub achieves this balance by fostering synergy between forward-thinking initiatives and execution.

Journey to Chief Product Officer Role

This part explores the speaker's journey to becoming Chief Product Officer at GitHub and highlights essential skills required for success in such a role.

Skills for Chief Product Officer Role

  • Transitioning into a Chief Product Officer role requires a broad skill set beyond product management encompassing business acumen, market strategy understanding, sales alignment, and cross-functional collaboration.
  • Learning from mentors and observing leaders' holistic approaches helped develop skills in systems thinking rather than just problem-solving.

Managerial Insights and Learnings

In this section, the speaker reflects on their managerial experiences, emphasizing the importance of learning from different roles and individuals within the industry.

Managerial Learning and Skill Adoption

  • The speaker highlights the significance of observing skills in team members that are not present in their own toolbox. They stress the importance of understanding what success looks like and being mindful of aspects that can lead to dissatisfaction.

Embracing Failures as Learnings

  • The concept of failure is reframed as a learning opportunity by the speaker. They share a pivotal career experience where rushing into implementing changes without explaining the rationale led to challenges in garnering team support.

Navigating Change and Communication Challenges

This segment delves into the complexities of driving change within a team, emphasizing the need for effective communication and understanding individual perspectives.

Understanding Change Dynamics

  • The speaker reflects on feedback received about moving too quickly when initiating change. They stress the importance of analyzing team dynamics to ensure everyone is aligned with proposed changes.

Cultural Adaptation and Change Management

  • Discussion revolves around adapting to different cultures within an international company. The speaker shares insights on driving change while ensuring team acceptance through effective communication strategies.

Personal Growth and Reflection

This part focuses on personal growth, celebrating milestones, embracing mistakes, and finding fulfillment in one's professional journey.

Celebrating Milestones

  • The speaker shares their excitement about reaching milestones at GitHub, highlighting the importance of making mistakes, learning from them, and ultimately finding fulfillment as a product leader.

Lightning Round Insights

Interview Questions and Life Mottos

In this segment, the speaker discusses interview questions that reveal a candidate's character and values, along with sharing a personal life motto.

Interview Questions

  • The speaker's preferred interview question is asking candidates about the most innovative thing they have done and why they consider it innovative. Some candidates focus on personal innovations rather than major inventions.
  • Another key question is about how candidates handled disagreements with their managers, showcasing their character and ability to stand their ground.

Life Motto

  • The speaker shares a favorite life motto: "If you don't take risks, you cannot create a future." This motto emphasizes the importance of stepping out of one's comfort zone to progress and grow.

Career Story and Online Presence

Here, the conversation shifts towards the speaker's career journey from an applied scientist to Chief Product Officer, as well as discussing online presence for professional networking.

Career Journey

  • The speaker briefly recounts their career progression from an applied scientist to Chief Product Officer at V.

Online Presence

  • To connect with the speaker online or learn more about AI-related topics, LinkedIn is recommended as the primary platform for engagement.
Video description

Inbal Shani is the chief product officer at GitHub, where she leads core product management, along with product strategy, marketing, open source, and communities, including the development of GitHub Copilot. Prior to joining GitHub, she led engineering and product teams at Amazon and Microsoft. In today’s conversation, we discuss: • What Inbal believes is overhyped and underhyped in the rapidly changing field of AI • How AI-driven code generation is changing software development • Her take on whether AI will replace developers • How software development looks in 3 to 5 years • How product teams operate at GitHub • GitHub’s Next team, and other ways the company fosters a culture of innovation • The success metrics and philosophy behind GitHub’s Copilot — Brought to you by Jira Product Discovery—Atlassian’s new prioritization and roadmapping tool built for product teams: https://atlassian.com/lenny/?utm_source=lennypodcast&utm_medium=paid-audio&utm_campaign=fy24q1-jpd-imc | Sanity—The most customizable content layer to power your growth engine: https://www.sanity.io/lenny | HelpBar by Chameleon—The free in-app universal search solution built for SaaS: https://helpbar.ai/lenny/?utm_source=lennys-podcast&utm_medium=sponsorship&utm_campaign=helpbar-launch-lennys-podcast Find the transcript at: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/the-future-of-ai-in-software-development-inbal-shani-cpo-of-github/ Where to find Inbal Shani: • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/inbalshani/ Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Inbal’s background (04:17) Why generative AI is not going to replace developers in the near future (05:54) Why AI-driven testing is underhyped (07:48) What the next 3 to 5 years will look like (10:13) Stats around the use of GitHub Copilot (12:07) How Copilot enables engineers to work more efficiently (13:38) Common mistakes when adopting AI into your workflows (16:42) How GitHub operationalizes “dogfooding” (18:46) The philosophy behind Copilot (20:24) Copilot’s success metrics (24:54) How Copilot encourages collaboration (26:37) What we lose when AI writes code for us (29:35) A retrospective on the generative AI space (30:47) Inbal’s thoughts on the future of AI (32:35) How to make space for innovative product ideas (34:37) How GitHub stays on the cutting edge of innovation (36:44) The GitHub Next team (39:20) Advice for early product managers (42:17) Inbal’s “biggest learning” from her career (45:34) Inbal’s closing thoughts (46:19) Lightning round Referenced: • How to measure and improve developer productivity | Nicole Forsgren (Microsoft Research, GitHub, Google): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-measure-and-improve-developer-productivity-nicole-forsgren-microsoft-research-github-goo/ • DORA: https://dora.dev/ • The role of AI in product development | Ryan J. Salva (VP of Product at GitHub, Copilot): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/the-role-of-ai-in-new-product-development-ryan-j-salva-vp-of-product-at-github-copilot/ • GitHub Universe 2023 day 2 keynote: The productivity platform for all developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_o9kFPVeiw • Satya Nadella on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/satyanadella/ • TomTom: https://www.tomtom.com/ • Failing Forward: Turning Mistakes into Stepping Stones for Success: https://www.amazon.com/Failing-Forward-Turning-Mistakes-Stepping/dp/0785288570/ • Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap and Others Don’t: https://www.amazon.com/Good-Great-Some-Companies-Others/dp/0066620996 • Turning the Flywheel: A Monograph to Accompany Good to Great: https://www.amazon.com/Turning-Flywheel-Monograph-Accompany-Great/dp/0062933795 • Dare to Lead Like a Girl: How to Survive and Thrive in the Corporate Jungle: https://www.amazon.com/Dare-Lead-Like-Girl-Corporate/dp/1538163527 • All the Light We Cannot See on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81083008 • The Wheel of Time on Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Time-Season-1/dp/B09F59CZ7R Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.