Gustavo Bueno, Filosofía de la tributación, Oviedo 4 octubre 2013

Gustavo Bueno, Filosofía de la tributación, Oviedo 4 octubre 2013

The Relationship Between Accounting and Philosophy

Introduction to the Topic

  • The speaker expresses gratitude towards Mr. Luis for his insightful words, highlighting the connection between accounting and philosophy.
  • The speaker notes that the separation between these fields is superficial; a deeper connection exists when exploring their interrelation.

Philosophy in Contemporary Discourse

  • Philosophy has become a prevalent term in both Spanish and foreign languages, often used casually in various contexts.
  • An anecdote illustrates how even business owners simplify their philosophy into catchy phrases, indicating its widespread usage.

Depth of Philosophical Discussion

  • There is a common assumption that discussions about philosophy are profound, yet many interpretations remain surface-level.
  • The speaker aims to explore what constitutes "deep" philosophy, particularly in relation to taxation and governance.

Understanding Deep Philosophy

Absolute Knowledge and Theology

  • When discussing deep philosophy, it is essential to consider absolute knowledge as superior; this leads directly to theological implications.
  • The speaker references two significant traditions within Christian civilization that inform the theology of taxation: Pauline epistles and Gospel accounts.

Scriptural Foundations of Taxation

  • Key biblical texts from Romans provide foundational insights into the nature of authority and obligation regarding taxes.
  • Romans emphasizes submission to governing authorities as divinely ordained, framing tax obligations as duties owed to God.

Theological Implications of Taxation

Jesus' Teachings on Taxes

  • A well-known passage from Matthew highlights Jesus’ response regarding paying taxes, illustrating the balance between civic duty and spiritual obligation.
  • This interaction underscores a theological tradition surrounding taxation that has evolved over centuries through scholastic thought.

Scholastic Contributions

  • Spanish scholastics contributed significantly to understanding taxation's philosophical dimensions during the 16th and 17th centuries.
  • Notable works like those by Suárez discuss taxation not merely as an obligation but also delve into its ethical considerations.

Conclusion on Taxation Philosophy

  • The discussion concludes with reflections on how traditional views frame tax obligations within broader philosophical debates about morality and governance.

The Distinction Between Revealed Theology and Natural Theology

Understanding Theological Concepts

  • The distinction between revealed theology (teología revelada) and natural theology (teología natural) is emphasized, with the former based on divine revelation from an authoritative source.
  • Natural philosophy relies on human reason and is influenced by constants that include religious beliefs, particularly within Christianity.
  • There exists a significant continuity between Christian theological principles and those of ancient philosophers like Stoics and Aristotelians, suggesting shared foundational ideas.

Historical Context and Events

  • A recent event in Zaragoza involving an anarchist group highlights tensions surrounding religious symbols, specifically targeting the Basilica del Pilar.
  • The historical context includes a bombing incident linked to Alfonso XIII's wedding, which resulted in numerous casualties, showcasing the violent intersection of politics and religion.

Philosophical Developments

  • Criticism is directed towards individuals who misinterpret philosophical traditions; ignorance about these traditions reflects poorly on contemporary understanding.
  • A large congress titled "Operalia Ordinalidad" illustrates ongoing debates about philosophical rights amidst perceived degradation of traditional philosophies.

Theological Inversion in Modern Philosophy

  • The concept of "theological inversion" suggests that modern philosophy has begun to develop independently from theological principles established over centuries.
  • By the 18th century, discussions around God shifted from being a destination to a starting point for understanding the world.

Economic Philosophy Emergence

  • Key thinkers like Descartes attempted to derive mechanical principles while referencing God's creation as foundational to their arguments.
  • Notable works such as those by Carlos reflect economic theories that parallel earlier scientific concepts, indicating a blend of economics with traditional philosophical inquiries.
  • From the 17th century onward, philosophy began transitioning into a positive technology rather than remaining purely metaphysical or theological.

Evolution of Economic Thought

  • Economics emerged as a relatively new science during the 17th and 18th centuries, challenging moralistic views on interest rates and lending practices.
  • Early economists faced skepticism due to their divergence from traditional moral perspectives regarding financial interests.

Philosophical Foundations of Positive Science

Historical Context and Philosophical Debate

  • The complexity of philosophical discussions in the 18th century, particularly in Spain, where economics was a taboo subject.
  • Introduction to positive philosophy emphasizing the need for scientific or technological concepts over mere philosophical ideas.
  • Acknowledgment that while some scientific concepts are debated, they form the basis for philosophical thought.

The Role of Scientific Concepts

  • Philosophy must be grounded in technical or scientific concepts; it cannot rely solely on abstract thinking.
  • Reference to new positivism from Vienna, which posits that positive sciences encompass all knowledge.

Central Thesis of Positivism

  • Quote from a key figure in the Vienna Circle highlighting that all spatial discussions should be framed within geometry.
  • Application of this thesis across various fields: life sciences must express themselves through biochemistry, which ultimately ties back to atomic physics.

Implications for Understanding Life

  • Discussion on how everything related to life can be reduced to biochemical terms, leading to a reductionist view of existence.
  • Critique of reductionism suggesting that such views may overlook deeper metaphysical principles underlying science.

Challenges and Limitations

  • Examination of how current theories may lead to metaphysical assumptions about fundamental principles in chemistry and physics.
  • Highlighting skepticism towards contemporary theories that attempt to explain existence through vague concepts like "quantum nothingness."

Economic Concepts and Their Relevance

  • Emphasis on the necessity for philosophical ideas to align with ethical or technological concepts relevant in political economy.
  • Discussion on taxation as an example where central ideas revolve around notions of totality versus parts.

Causality and Its Complexities

  • Exploration of causality as a functional relationship dependent on specific parameters rather than absolute truths.
  • Analysis of cause-effect relationships indicating their complexity beyond simple binary interpretations.

Causality and Identity: A Philosophical Exploration

The Nature of Causality

  • The discussion begins with the concept that causality not only implies a cause but also suggests an identity framework that has been disrupted.
  • It is noted that movement can occur due to internal inertia, raising questions about whether all movements require an external cause.
  • The speaker argues that the idea of causality transcends biological, legal, and physical categories, indicating its broad applicability.

Part and Whole Relationship

  • The relationship between part and whole is described as dialectical and contradictory; a part is inherently linked to the whole it belongs to.
  • There’s a suggestion to redefine this relationship as one where parts relate more easily to each other rather than just being subsets of a whole.
  • This dialectic is deemed essential for understanding operations across various technological and scientific fields.

Implications in Taxation

  • The speaker references taxation as an institution intertwined with the concepts of part and whole, highlighting its complexities beyond mere arithmetic.
  • An example illustrates how paradoxes arise within sets (e.g., even vs. odd numbers), emphasizing deeper mathematical truths about infinity.

Totality vs. Parts

  • There’s a critique on how our understanding of totality does not always align with formal parameters or algebraic formulas.
  • The discussion connects totality with properties such as wealth distribution in society, particularly in relation to taxation.

Societal Structures and Tribute

  • Tribute is framed metaphorically within societal structures, likening it to natural phenomena like bees providing resources for their queen.
  • Historical examples are provided regarding tribute systems among societies, illustrating long-standing practices of resource exchange.
  • Finally, tribute is positioned as indicative of organized societies where power dynamics dictate obligations between contributors and states.

Property and Taxation: A Philosophical Inquiry

The Nature of Property and Confiscation

  • The discussion begins with the concept of property, questioning whether a part of it can be taken without leading to confiscation. This is illustrated through historical examples like feudal tithes and modern agricultural practices.
  • It raises the issue of ownership, particularly when a portion of one's property is claimed by another party (e.g., the state), leading to confusion about what constitutes true ownership.

Taxation as a Philosophical Problem

  • The speaker emphasizes that taxation is inherently complex, as the definitions of "part" and "whole" are fluid, complicating our understanding of tax obligations. This reflects broader philosophical questions about property rights.
  • There’s an exploration into how taxation relates to political philosophy, suggesting that taxes symbolize state control over property rights and raise questions about individual versus collective ownership.

Historical Perspectives on Property

  • The narrative shifts to historical theories regarding property, referencing classical political philosophers who argue that individuals originally owned what they produced through labor or found in nature. This perspective suggests that property rights emerged from labor rather than state imposition.
  • Marxist theory is introduced, positing that class struggles led to the establishment of states which then enforced property divisions among classes—expropriators versus expropriated—highlighting conflicts over resources throughout history.

Critique of Primitive Community Concepts

  • The speaker critiques the notion of primitive communities owning land collectively, arguing this view oversimplifies human social structures and ignores diverse cultural developments across different groups throughout history.
  • They assert that various human communities have always been distinct and often in conflict over territory rather than existing in a unified communal state as suggested by some theories. This challenges romanticized views of early human societies.

Implications for Modern State Theory

  • A classification system for understanding how states manage taxation is proposed; it highlights varying relationships between states and their citizens concerning tax obligations based on differing political philosophies (e.g., socialist vs liberal).
  • The discussion concludes with reflections on how these philosophical debates around taxation relate back to fundamental ideas about community, territory, and governance—suggesting that modern states derive legitimacy from their ability to manage resources effectively while navigating complex social dynamics.

Understanding the State and Property

The Nature of State Territory and Property

  • The state is perceived as a territory that has been appropriated, yet lacks established property rights. This property emerges through the redistribution of territorial wealth among various groups or individuals who have gained access to it.
  • A critical flaw in Marxist theory regarding the state is highlighted: it fails to recognize that state property represents a distinct form of social appropriation derived from territorial ownership, which can lead to conflicts.

Theories of the State

  • There are multiple theories about the nature of states; however, a materialist perspective is essential. It should encompass legal, economic, sociological, and political dimensions rather than being confined to any single aspect.
  • Current understandings often lean towards a legalistic view of the state, which is criticized for being outdated and rooted in ideologies developed during Nazi Germany. This perspective neglects fundamental issues discussed in ordinary political discourse.

Taxation and Its Implications

  • The relationship between the state and taxation is complex; initial views suggest that states depend on tributes from surrounding tribes or territories for their sustenance. This historical context reflects an early understanding of how states functioned economically through tribute systems.
  • Marx's vision includes a future where technological advancements eliminate the need for a state by naturally providing wealth without requiring tributes or taxes, suggesting an idealized version of societal evolution.

Liberalism vs Social Democracy

  • Different models exist regarding taxation: one aligns with liberalism while another corresponds to social democracy. These frameworks often misinterpret taxes as mere contracts rather than recognizing their obligatory nature within society's structure.
  • An example provided illustrates how subsidies can be viewed as insurance contracts where taxpayers receive services in exchange for their contributions—this model simplifies complex socio-political relationships into transactional agreements devoid of political significance.

Misconceptions About Taxes

  • The notion that taxes are merely contractual obligations overlooks their inherent compulsory nature; they are not redistributive but serve broader governmental functions beyond individual agreements or benefits received by citizens.
  • In liberal thought, there’s an inclination to replace traditional political tax structures with contractual arrangements, leading to misconceptions about the role and necessity of taxes within governance frameworks over time.

Models Addressing Tax Disconnect from State Functionality

  • Two prominent models addressing this disconnect between taxation and state functionality include anarchism and communism: both propose radical redefinitions of property ownership and governance structures based on collective needs rather than individual rights alone.
  • Communism posits that once all goods are collectivized post-confiscation, class distinctions vanish along with private property; however, this theory faces criticism due to its flawed assumptions about territorial identity and conflict resolution within societies historically marked by such tensions.

Exploring the Reasons Behind Space Exploration Investments

The Cost of Space Exploration

  • The discussion begins with questioning why the Soviet Union invested vast amounts of money in space travel, similar to U.S. expenditures during the Cold War and NASA's current missions.
  • A primary focus is on finding water and potential extraterrestrial life forms, particularly those resembling humans, which falls under the field of exobiology.

The Search for Extraterrestrial Life

  • The speaker emphasizes that proving life exists on other planets is a fundamental aspect of biology, paralleling theological inquiries about God's existence.
  • There’s a call to clarify what planets are being discussed in terms of their potential for supporting life and whether such investments are economically justified.

Historical Context: Communism and Economic Systems

  • The collapse of the Soviet Union is highlighted as a significant historical event that should not be overlooked; it serves as an example of failed centralized economic systems without private property.
  • The speaker argues that communism's failure was due to internal issues rather than external pressures, challenging the notion that a single communist state could exist successfully.

Philosophical Implications of Taxation

  • There’s an exploration into how philosophical discussions around taxation arise from interactions between different political societies rather than abstract ideas imposed from outside.
  • It’s suggested that these problems are internally derived and reflect contradictions within existing economic systems.

Understanding Current Economic Challenges

  • The speaker stresses that contemporary issues related to taxation stem from current economic concepts rather than deep philosophical insights.
  • Emphasis is placed on recognizing these challenges as part of broader societal dynamics rather than isolated problems needing external solutions.
Video description

Gustavo Bueno, "Filosofía de la tributación, algunas ideas y cuestiones." Intervención en la ceremonia organizada por el Colegio Oficial de Titulados Mercantiles y Empresariales del Principado de Asturias, para conmemorar la festividad de su patrón, en el Auditorio Príncipe Felipe de Oviedo, el 4 de octubre de 2013. «En este mismo Auditorio de Oviedo, hace ya catorce años, en 1999, el profesor Gustavo Bueno, invitado entonces por la Asociación Española de Asesores Fiscales, pronunció una importante conferencia sobre "El tributo en la dialéctica sociedad política / sociedad civil". Hoy, invitado por el Colegio Oficial de Titulados Mercantiles y Empresariales de Asturias, disertará sobre "Filosofía de la tributación, algunas ideas y cuestiones". En esta intervención sobre la filosofía del tributo se tratará, ante todo, de la cuestión de los significados de la propia expresión "filosofía del tributo". Se mostrará que esta expresión está siempre en función de otros saberes sobre el tributo, principalmente los de carácter técnico y los de carácter científico (jurídico, político, económico, histórico). El objetivo de la exposición es mostrar hasta qué punto el tributo no es una cuestión meramente técnica o contingente desde el punto de vista político, sino que está estrechamente vinculada con la cuestión sobre la naturaleza misma del Estado.»