Bridge CEO Zach Abrams: Stablecoins Are The Next Platform for Money

Bridge CEO Zach Abrams: Stablecoins Are The Next Platform for Money

The Future of Payments: Stable Coins and Financial Evolution

The Rise of Stable Coins

  • The speaker predicts that in 5 to 10 years, stable coins will dominate global payments, primarily between nonhuman agents.
  • Questions arise about the necessary infrastructure to support a significant increase in payment velocity, suggesting an impending transformation in financial services.

Understanding Stable Coins

  • Stable coins are viewed as an evolution of financial services, akin to how credit cards revolutionized money movement.
  • They offer new capabilities such as low-cost cross-border transactions, programmability, yield-bearing features, and micro-transactions.

Historical Context and Comparisons

  • Early credit card adoption faced skepticism due to fraud concerns and moral panic over debt accumulation; similar fears surround stable coins today.
  • Just as credit cards evolved over time with the internet's rise, stable coins are expected to follow a similar trajectory of growth and application expansion.

Current Challenges and Infrastructure Needs

  • The speaker emphasizes that the industry is still in its infancy; only a few years have passed since stable coin applications began developing.
  • There is ongoing exploration into what infrastructure is needed for various use cases as companies adapt their products for different scales of operation.

Exciting Use Cases on the Horizon

  • The speaker expresses enthusiasm for emerging applications like cross-border payments, aid disbursement by governments, and neo banking solutions built on stable coins.

SpaceX and the Future of Stable Coins

Emergence of Stable Coin Use Cases

  • SpaceX has highlighted a treasury use case for moving money across borders using stable coins, which is gaining traction alongside card and payment applications.
  • Stripe is facilitating stable coin usage at checkout, offering lower interchange fees compared to traditional card networks, potentially around 1.5%.
  • Predictions suggest that in 5 to 10 years, a significant portion of global payments may occur via stable coins, especially between non-human agents.

Infrastructure Development for Payments

  • The current infrastructure allows developers to explore various use cases for stable coins without being limited by preconceived notions about their viability.
  • There is an increasing demand for agentic applications where new companies are building on APIs to create innovative payment solutions.
  • Early adopters are focusing on agentic commerce through chat interfaces; however, there’s skepticism about whether this will transition fully to stable coins.

Challenges and Opportunities in Payment Systems

  • Concerns exist regarding the concentration of information within chat interfaces, which could hinder content creation on the internet; new economic models are needed.
  • Card networks argue that they provide essential fraud prevention features that stable coins currently lack; questions arise about whether these features can be integrated into stable coin systems.

Future Prospects for Wallet-to-Wallet Payments

  • The potential for wallet-to-wallet payments facilitated by platforms like Stripe is expected to grow significantly with low transaction costs.
  • While cards remain popular due to their chargeback and fraud protection capabilities, emerging infrastructures could offer similar benefits without high bank fees.

Stripe's Strategic Direction in Crypto Integration

  • Stripe has been experimenting with crypto integration over time and is now consolidating various components such as acquiring bridge technologies and developing its blockchain infrastructure.
  • The future direction of Stripe remains uncertain as it navigates early-stage developments in the crypto space.

The Importance of Infrastructure in Stable Coin Development

Core Infrastructure for Successful Applications

  • The evolution of stable coins highlights the need for essential infrastructure that supports application development. Developers require tools similar to those provided by Stripe for card payments, emphasizing the importance of developer-friendly solutions.
  • Key infrastructures identified include:
  • Bridges: Facilitate money movement.
  • Privies: Support value storage.
  • Tempo: Enhances the velocity of money and use cases.

Ensuring Openness and Decentralization

  • There is a historical concern regarding networks starting as open but becoming closed over time, with Visa cited as an example. To prevent this, it’s crucial to ensure that Tempo remains neutral and beneficial for all developers involved.
  • The belief is that Tempo must be decentralized; its roadmap should not be dictated by any single entity (e.g., Stripe) to foster trust among developers building on it. This decentralization is seen as vital for long-term success.

Philosophical Shifts in Technology

  • A comparison is made between past internet phases (e.g., Google's "Don't be evil") and current blockchain capabilities, which allow computers to make commitments that can’t easily become corrupt if sufficiently decentralized. This shift emphasizes the potential for more trustworthy systems in technology.
  • The decision-making process around Layer 1 (L1) versus Layer 2 (L2) solutions reflects a commitment to decentralization from early stages, indicating a strategic focus on foundational infrastructure development within Tempo.

Insights on Founding Challenges and Recommendations

Advice Received as a Founder

  • The speaker shares two pieces of advice they received:
  • Hire senior people.
  • You will know when you have product-market fit.

They express skepticism about both pieces of advice, particularly questioning the clarity around product-market fit throughout their journey as a founder.

Recommended Reading Material

  • Emphasizing continuous learning through reading, the speaker suggests exploring various genres including sci-fi and business literature:
  • They mention John Malone's book related to cable industry evolution.
  • They also highlight interest in Chinese history books, specifically mentioning "Ma's Great Famine" for its insights into political dynamics affecting modern China.

Productivity Hacks

  • The speaker identifies daily workouts as their most effective productivity hack, underscoring physical health's role in maintaining high performance levels in professional settings. This routine is presented as critical to their overall productivity strategy.

The Role of Management in Modern Companies

Unique Work Practices

  • The speaker emphasizes a distinctive approach to productivity by dedicating two uninterrupted hours daily for focused work, free from meetings and distractions.

Views on Management Structure

  • The speaker challenges traditional management roles, stating that their company operates without formal managers despite having 150 employees. This raises questions about maintaining order and structure.

Mentorship vs. Traditional Management

  • The discussion differentiates between mentorship related to technical skills and the administrative aspects of management, suggesting that effective companies prioritize skill development over formal managerial structures.

Sustainability of Non-Traditional Management

  • A question arises regarding whether this non-traditional management style is sustainable as the company grows. The speaker acknowledges historical examples of founders who initially shared similar views but later adopted more structured management hierarchies.
Video description

What happens when money moves 10x — or 100x — faster than it does today? In this episode, Zach Abrams, cofounder and CEO of Bridge (now part of Stripe), lays out a bold vision for the future of money: a world where stablecoins become the dominant payment rail, most transactions happen between non-human agents, and entirely new financial infrastructure is required to keep up. Zach explains why stablecoins are the next evolution of fintech, much like credit cards were decades ago — and why we’re still in the early innings. We dig into agentic payments, AI-to-AI commerce, micro-transactions on the open internet, and what Stripe is building by assembling stablecoin infrastructure across the stack. Along the way, we cover: - Why cards succeeded — and what stablecoins must learn from them - What breaks when the velocity of money increases 10x - Stripe’s long-term strategy behind Bridge, Privy, and Tempo - The case for open, decentralized payment infrastructure - How AI agents could drive the majority of future payments - Zach’s unconventional views on management, productivity, and product-market fit If you’re curious about the future of payments, fintech, crypto, AI agents, or the economic foundations of the next internet, this conversation offers a look several steps ahead. Highlights: 00:00 Introduction 00:36 Stablecoins: The next platform for money 01:38 Credit cards had a moral panic too 03:29 What stablecoin infrastructure still needs to be built 05:22 The use cases no one predicted 11:11 Why Stripe is building with crypto 13:08 Why payments infrastructure must stay open 15:12 Lightning round: Bad advice, great books, and deep work Follow a16z crypto for more... X: https://x.com/a16zcrypto LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/a16zcrypto/posts/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7pMZvsNXEnb0CYcPiDQywE Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/web3-with-a16z-crypto/id1622312549 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@a16zcrypto 📩 Subscribe for more industry reports, trend updates, news analysis, builder guides, and other resources: https://a16zcrypto.substack.com/subscribe/ 🎙️ Like, subscribe, comment, share the show: https://a16zcrypto.com/posts/podcast/ *** As always, none of the following should be taken as investment, business, legal, or tax advice. Please see a16z.com/disclosures for more important information, including a link to a list of our investments.