What AI means for your product strategy | Paul Adams (CPO of Intercom)

Introduction and Importance of AI in Society

In this section, the speaker discusses the significance of exploring AI and its potential to transform society. The importance of understanding how AI can solve problems and meet user needs is emphasized.

Exploring the Core Premise of Your Product

• Understanding what problem your product solves for users is crucial.

• Consider whether AI can fulfill that core premise.

• AI may fully or partially address the problem, or it may not be capable yet.

• Mapping your product's capabilities with what AI can do or will be able to do is essential.

Guest Introduction: Paul Adams' Background

This section introduces Paul Adams, Chief Product Officer at Intercom. His extensive experience in various roles at companies like Facebook, Google, and Dyson is highlighted.

Paul Adams' Professional Journey

• Paul Adams has held the role of Chief Product Officer at Intercom for over 10 years.

• He previously worked as Global Head of Brand Design at Facebook, a User Researcher at Google, a Product Designer at Dyson, and an Automotive Interior Designer.

• The conversation with Paul will cover his stories of failure and insights on incorporating AI into product strategy.

Stories of Failure and Learning from Them

In this section, Paul shares personal stories of failure and highlights the lessons he learned from these experiences.

Embracing Failure as a Learning Opportunity

• Paul recounts a memorable incident where he froze on stage during a keynote presentation.

• Despite being initially scarred by such failures, they provide valuable lessons for personal growth.

Incorporating AI into Product Strategy

This section delves into how to approach AI as part of product strategy. Examples from Intercom's experience are provided to illustrate effective implementation.

Understanding AI's Role in Product Strategy

• AI should be considered as a tool to enhance and augment product capabilities.

• Intercom's approach involves mapping their product's potential with what AI can currently do or will be able to do.

• Examples from Intercom's experience demonstrate successful integration of AI into their products.

Sponsor Message: EPO - Next Generation AB Testing Platform

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Introduction to EPO

• EPO is an advanced AB testing and feature management platform used by companies like Twitch, Miro, ClickUp, and DraftKings.

• It enables experimentation velocity and provides deep analysis through statistical methods.

• EPO supports various use cases such as product growth, machine learning, monetization, and email marketing.

Sponsor Message: Hex - Unified Data Analysis Platform

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Features of Hex

• Hex brings together different tools for running queries, building visualizations, writing Python code, and collaborating on data analysis.

• Its powerful notebook UI allows analyzing data using SQL, Python, or no-code approaches.

• Hex's AI tools generate queries and code based on natural language prompts for efficient analysis.

Sponsor Message: Hex (continued)

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Collaboration and Reporting with Hex

• Hex facilitates collaboration through live multiplayer functionality and version control.

• The Drag and Drop app builder in Hex enables users to create visually appealing reports or dashboards easily.

Conclusion: Thank You & Guest Introduction

The episode concludes with gratitude towards the guest speaker Paul Adams.

Wrapping Up

• The host expresses gratitude to Paul Adams for joining the podcast.

• The guest's background and expertise are acknowledged, creating anticipation for the upcoming conversation.

Guest Introduction: Paul Adams' Keynote Experience

This section introduces a story about Paul Adams' experience giving a keynote presentation at Cannes.

Memorable Keynote Presentation at Cannes

• Paul shares his experience of being asked to give a keynote presentation at Cannes after another speaker had faced challenges during their talk.

• Further details about this incident will be discussed in subsequent sections.

The First Ever Rehearsed Talk

In this section, the speaker talks about their experience of giving a rehearsed talk for the first time in their life and how they struggled to remember what to say. They also share their initial panic and how they managed to turn things around.

• The speaker usually ad-libs during talks but for this particular talk, they had to rehearse word for word.

• They experienced a version of a panic attack and couldn't remember what to say.

• The speaker walked off stage, cursed everyone, and thought people were laughing at them.

• Despite the initial setback, they managed to gather themselves and went back on stage.

• This experience made the speaker famous and infamous at the same time.

Surviving a Public Speaking Mishap

This section highlights the lesson learned from freezing in front of thousands of people during a talk. It emphasizes that even when the worst possible thing happens, one can still survive and turn things around.

• Freezing in front of thousands of people is a common fear when giving a talk.

• The speaker's experience shows that even if something goes wrong, it can work out okay in the end.

• Adapting to unexpected situations is important in life.

• The speaker still has doubts before going on stage but acknowledges that these mishaps are not that big of a deal in the grand scheme.

Lessons from Google and Facebook

This section discusses the speaker's experiences working at Google and Facebook. It mentions some unsuccessful projects at both companies and reflects on leadership lessons learned during those times.

• During their time at Google (4 years) and Facebook (2.5 years), there was intense competition between the two companies in terms of social tech.

• Google was afraid of Facebook's potential threat while Facebook was confident in their ability to disrupt Google's revenue.

• The speaker worked on failed social projects at Google, such as Google Buzz and Google Plus.

• These projects were motivated by fear rather than a genuine desire to create great products for users.

• Despite the failures, there were also amazing things happening at Google, like the development of Google Maps and Android.

Research and Learnings at Google

This section focuses on the speaker's research work at Google. It highlights their involvement in conducting usability studies and formative research related to communication patterns.

• The speaker was asked to conduct both tactical (usability) research and formative research during their time at Google.

• They conducted extensive research on people's social networks, communication channels, and struggles with communicating with family and friends.

• A recurring finding from this research was the need for better ways to communicate with small groups of people.

• The speaker reflects on how their focus on social side projects may not have been as successful as other areas within Google, such as building Google Maps or Android.

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Joining Facebook and Leaving Google

The speaker talks about leaving Google to join Facebook and the challenges faced during the transition.

Transition from Google to Facebook

• The speaker left Google and joined Facebook after being approached through a conference talk.

• Facebook was an exciting and amazing place at that time, with a focus on building an amazing product for people.

• The speaker joined Facebook during the development of Google Plus, which was still confidential at that time.

• There was internal antagonism towards Google Plus within Google, leading to mixed reactions when the speaker left in the middle of the project.

• Some saw the speaker as a traitor while others viewed it as an enlightened decision.

Challenges Faced

• When leaving Google, there was scrutiny regarding what information the speaker took with them.

• Google assumed that the speaker might be a spy and conducted forensic analysis on their laptop.

• Looking back, it is understood why such measures were taken due to competitive fear within the project.

Embracing Failure and Taking Big Bets

The importance of failure in personal growth and company culture is discussed. Embracing failure allows for taking big bets and learning from mistakes.

Importance of Failure

• Failure is seen as an essential part of personal growth and professional development.

• The speaker shares personal experiences of failure at both Google and Intercom.

• At Intercom, there is a focus on designing not just products but also the company itself, embracing failure as part of their culture.

Taking Big Bets

• Emphasizing higher risk-high reward scenarios rather than incremental improvements excites the speaker.

• Making big bets often leads to getting things wrong, but it allows for rapid learning, improvement, and change.

Insights on AI Integration into Product Strategy

The speaker discusses their thoughts on AI integration into product strategy and the impact of OpenAI's ChatGPT.

Fascination with AI

• Since the launch of OpenAI's ChatGPT, the speaker has been deeply interested in AI and thinks about it daily.

• They read extensively to stay updated on AI developments.

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The Impact of Technology on Society

In this section, the speaker discusses two different perspectives regarding the impact of technology on society. Some people believe that technology will bring about a significant shift in society, while others are skeptical and view it as just another hype.

Perspectives on the Impact of Technology

• Some individuals believe that technology is bigger than the internet itself and will shape society in transformative ways.

• Others are skeptical due to past instances where hyped technologies like crypto and web 3 failed to live up to expectations.

• The concept of the "trough of disillusionment" is mentioned, where people become disinterested or tune out due to excessive hype surrounding a particular technology.

• Despite skepticism, there are those who firmly believe that technology has the potential to radically transform society.

Balancing Work and Deep Diving into AI

This section focuses on addressing the challenge of finding time to explore AI for individuals who are already occupied with work commitments. The speaker emphasizes the importance of prioritizing and dedicating time for learning and experimentation.

Finding Time for Deep Diving into AI

• The speaker acknowledges that finding time can be challenging when dealing with numerous work-related responsibilities.

• It is crucial to prioritize learning by setting aside dedicated time for reading, staying up-to-date, and experimenting with new technologies.

• Trying out tools like chat GPT or upgrading to access advanced features can provide valuable hands-on experience.

• The advice given is to make time for exploring AI since neglecting it may result in being left behind.

Incorporating AI into Product Design

This section explores how leaders can approach incorporating AI into product design. While acknowledging the difficulty in making AI components visible, the speaker emphasizes the importance of staying updated and adapting to technological advancements.

Incorporating AI into Product Design

• Many AI-related improvements happen behind the scenes, making it challenging to showcase their impact in product design.

• The speaker reflects on how perceptions of AI have changed over time, with initial skepticism giving way to recognition of its potential.

• It is important for leaders to stay informed about AI advancements and encourage teams to incorporate AI components into product designs.

• While it may be harder due to the invisibility of certain technologies, embracing AI can lead to better products and experiences.

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Strategic Change and AI Integration

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of considering a foundational strategic change when integrating AI into products. They emphasize the need to understand the core premise of the product and its problem-solving capabilities before exploring how AI can enhance or replace certain functions.

Considering Foundational Strategic Change

• The speaker suggests starting with understanding the core premise of the product and why people use it.

• Then, they recommend asking whether AI can fulfill those functions fully or partially.

• AI has various capabilities such as writing, summarizing text, answering queries, finding facts, scanning text and images, listening to voice commands, taking actions, building rules, etc.

• Products with workflows or multimedia elements should assess how AI aligns with their functionalities.

• Some products may be fully replaced by AI while others may be augmented by it.

Example: Intercom's Strategic Change

• Intercom underwent a significant strategic change after realizing that customer service would be disrupted by AI.

• They reevaluated their product's purpose and decided to focus on an AI chatbot called Finn as their first line of defense for customer support.

• This shift required organizational change within customer support teams.

Introduction to Finn - An AI Chatbot for Customer Support

In this section, the speaker introduces Finn as an example of an AI chatbot designed for customer support. They explain how Finn revolutionizes traditional ticketing-based customer service by providing conversational support through messaging platforms.

What is Finn?

• Finn is an AI chatbot developed by Intercom for customer support purposes.

• It serves as the first line of defense in handling customer inquiries instead of relying solely on human agents.

• Finn operates through messaging platforms like WhatsApp or iMessage.

• Its introduction has transformed the way customer support teams handle queries and interactions.

• The speaker highlights that the biggest challenge lies in helping customer support teams adapt to this organizational change.

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The Impact of AI on Team Structures and Product Strategy

In this section, the speaker discusses the impact of fully pivoting into AI and how it can change team structures and product strategy.

Lessons from Pivoting to AI

• Fully pivoting into AI allows for augmenting people's abilities in answering questions and providing assistance.

• It brings up questions about how team structures might change and how product strategy priorities may shift.

Measuring Success with AI

This section focuses on measuring the success of implementing AI technology.

Defining Success with AI

• The impact of going all-in with AI is still early to determine.

• Success can be measured by factors such as interest, curiosity, and customer adoption.

• Skepticism exists around whether AI can match human capabilities in areas like customer support.

• Some customers have seen significant success in answering a large percentage of their inbound questions using AI.

Transforming Business with AI

This section explores the transformational potential of AI for businesses.

Financial Transformation

• Financial transformation has not yet been realized due to being in the early stages of growth.

• Startups typically experience exponential growth curves, but it takes time to reach that stage.

• Currently focused on understanding the impact and educating people about the potential of AI.

Mind-blowing Examples of AI

Here, the speaker shares examples where they were amazed by the capabilities of AI technology.

Chat GPT's Capabilities

• Chat GPT was a game-changer as it could answer questions without manual setup or extensive orchestration.

• It demonstrated reasoning abilities and could work things out, even in complex scenarios.

• AI's potential to write code efficiently raised questions about the role of engineers in the future.

Visual Recognition

• AI's ability to parse imagery and provide insights blew the speaker's mind.

• It can analyze photos, identify objects or text, and provide relevant information.

• Examples include identifying bike issues from a photo or translating ancient inscriptions on a cathedral.

AI vs. Radiologists

• AI has shown superior performance in tasks traditionally requiring years of training, such as radiology.

• It can process vast amounts of data, surpassing human capabilities in analyzing X-rays.

The Future Potential of AI

This section discusses the future potential of AI technology.

Unleashing AI's Capabilities

• The speaker believes that AI has immense untapped potential for various industries and professions.

• As technology advances, it is expected to revolutionize many fields beyond what we currently imagine.

The Impact of AI on Healthcare

In this section, the speaker discusses the potential impact of AI on healthcare, including reducing waiting times and improving patient care.

AI in Healthcare

• AI has the potential to improve healthcare by reducing waiting times and addressing long queues for hospitals and X-ray services.

• AI technology can analyze a person's face and create a 3D model, making it possible to replicate their appearance. This could lead to advancements in virtual communication and even simulate conversations with deceased loved ones.

Replicating Voices and Faces

• The speaker mentions the concept of the metaverse, where individuals can meet virtually. In this context, AI can replicate voices and faces so accurately that they are almost indistinguishable from real people.

• The ability to replicate voices and faces raises ethical questions about privacy, consent, and the implications for personal interactions. It is reminiscent of concepts explored in shows like Black Mirror.

Language Translation with AI

• AI technology is advancing language translation capabilities in real-time conversations. For example, if one person speaks Spanish and another speaks English, an AI system can translate their speech instantly, enabling effective communication between different languages.

• The speaker mentions working on dubbing and translating podcast episodes using AI technology that not only translates but also synchronizes lip movements to match the translated speech.

Integrating AI into Teams

• To effectively integrate AI into teams or organizations, having skilled machine learning engineers is crucial as they form the foundation for building great things with AI technology. Companies like OpenAI provide amazing technologies that can be built upon but require additional development efforts to achieve brilliance in applications such as customer support.

• Building a strong machine learning team and investing in the function is essential for successful integration of AI. This involves collaboration between product managers, designers, engineers, and machine learning experts to tackle design challenges and leverage foundational AI technologies.

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Direct Parallels with Mobile Apps Team at Google

The speaker discusses their experience working in the mobile apps team at Google and how they faced skepticism about the use of mobile devices for tasks like writing documents.

• The speaker worked on mobile Gmail and mobile docs as part of the mobile apps team at Google.

• In London, they were known as the mobile team, but in Mountain View, California, no one cared about their work.

• There was skepticism about people using phones for tasks like writing documents.

• The speaker emphasizes the importance of not simply bolting AI onto existing products or having a separate AI team.

• Instead, they believe in integrating AI into every product team and having everyone learn about it.

Importance of Generalists and Specialism

The speaker discusses their belief in generalists and setting up teams with a mix of skills. They also acknowledge the importance of specialism in areas like machine learning.

• The speaker is a big believer in generalists and describes themselves as a jack of all trades.

• They have worked as a researcher, designer, and PM, which has shaped their belief in generalists.

• While specialism matters, such as in machine learning, they prefer people who are willing to learn new things.

• They mention that many companies will eventually realize the need to focus on AI and hire specialists.

Pitfalls to Avoid during Transition to AI

The speaker shares some pitfalls to avoid when transitioning to AI and offers advice on staying up-to-date with advancements.

• One pitfall is simply bolting AI onto existing systems instead of integrating it into every product team.

• Staying up-to-date with advancements can be challenging due to the fast pace of AI development.

• The speaker mentions using Twitter, following people in the AI field, and utilizing recommended feeds for staying informed.

• They also recommend searching Twitter and subscribing to newsletters from individuals like Matt Rickard and blogs from companies like OpenAI.

Tools and Apps for Exploring AI

The speaker discusses some tools and apps they find interesting for exploring AI beyond their own company's offerings.

• The speaker mentions trying out Google Bard, an AI search engine, and Rewind, a company that offers augmented AI for memory.

• They believe in experimenting with different tools to understand their usefulness and boundaries.

Help Bar by Chameleon

A brief mention of Help Bar by Chameleon, a solution that delivers answers directly inside an app by aggregating help content from various sources.

• Help Bar by Chameleon is introduced as a free in-app universal search solution built for SaaS.

• It aims to eliminate context switching by delivering answers directly within the app through AI-generated responses and relevant documentation from multiple sources.

New Section

In this section, Lenny discusses the challenges and hurdles faced when implementing AI in an organization.

Challenges of Implementing AI

• Lenny talks about the organizational and personal challenges encountered while rolling out AI.

• The company has diverse opinions about AI, but senior leadership is supportive, which helps overcome hurdles.

• Navigating ambiguity and helping people gain conviction in AI is a challenge.

• Showing examples of successful implementations helps people understand the potential of AI.

• Discussions and debates occur regarding the future roadmap with AI.

• Balancing alternative voices and opinions while maintaining conviction in AI is important.

New Section

In this section, Lenny discusses how market opportunities influence the adoption of AI.

Market Opportunities for AI

• Customer support is a clear opportunity for implementing AI.

• Other industries like reporting software and project management tools are also ripe for disruption by newcomers with innovative approaches to AI integration.

New Section

In this section, Lenny reflects on the potential impact of AI on various industries.

Impact of AI on Industries

• Lenny connects back to his initial point about considering where AI can integrate into different industries.

• Reporting software may evolve to become more automated and data-driven.

• Project management tools could be transformed by new paradigms enabled by AI.

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The Role of Designers in Data Visualization

In this section, the speaker discusses the role of designers in data visualization and how it can be challenging to understand their perspective.

Understanding the Role of Designers

• Companies like Tableau often have designers who create dashboards, filters, and workflows for data visualization.

• It can be difficult to comprehend their thought process and the importance of user interface design.

Getting Started in Data Visualization

• Apart from reading and subscribing to newsletters, it is helpful for team members to explore alternative opinions and skeptical viewpoints.

• Balancing optimism with negativity helps in gaining a well-rounded understanding of the field.

Overcoming Fear and Embracing Change

• People may feel afraid or hesitant about new technologies like automation or AI taking over jobs.

• It is important not to be afraid but rather lean into these changes and adapt accordingly.

Frameworks for Data Visualization

This section explores various frameworks used in data visualization that have been found useful by the speaker.

Before After Framework

• The "before after" concept refers to moments of significant change or transformation, such as a rebranding or pricing update.

• These moments require reaching out to customers again to gather feedback and learn from their experiences.

Pricing as a Design Challenge

• Pricing is considered one of the most challenging design problems.

• Aligning price with value is crucial, but determining value can be subjective for different individuals.

Mistakes in Pricing Strategy

• One mistake made was having too many pricing models due to compounded errors and being risk averse.

• Starting afresh required making brave decisions and learning from past mistakes.

Pricing Strategies

In this section, the speaker discusses pricing strategies and the importance of keeping them simple and customer-focused.

Importance of Simplicity in Pricing

• It is advised to resist the temptation of adding extra ways to price a product.

• Keeping pricing simple helps customers understand their bills better.

Differentiation vs. Table Stakes

• Differentiation refers to what makes a product unique and better than competitors.

• It is crucial to be different and better in ways that customers care about.

• Table stakes are basic features that are necessary to play in a specific market or industry.

• Balancing differentiation and table stakes is essential for long-term success.

Differentiation vs. Table Stakes Continued

The speaker further explains the concept of differentiation versus table stakes and shares insights from their experience at Intercom.

Importance of Customer Care

• Being different and better should align with what customers actually care about.

• Avoid being different in ways that do not resonate with customers' needs.

Startups Entering Established Categories

• Startups entering established categories need to invest more in differentiation or have incredible differentiation to stand out.

• Initially, startups may be bought alongside existing solutions but can gradually build up table stakes features over time.

Roadmap Prioritization

The speaker discusses how prioritizing roadmap items based on customer needs can lead to successful product development.

Focus on Customer Needs

• When reviewing a roadmap, it is important to consider which features matter most to customers at present.

• Prioritize features that address customer pain points or provide significant value.

Startups in Established Categories

• Startups entering established categories should focus on differentiation initially but gradually balance it with building table stakes features over time.

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Choosing Between Launching and Differentiating

In this section, the speaker discusses the decision-making process between launching a product or focusing on differentiation. The choice depends on various factors such as market conditions and product category.

Factors to Consider

• It is important to differentiate first before building other features.

• The decision to launch or differentiate depends on the market and product category.

Swinging the Pendulum

The speaker introduces the concept of "Swinging the Pendulum" as a framework for addressing undesirable states in a company's strategy.

Understanding Swinging the Pendulum

• Swinging the pendulum refers to taking a step back from everyday work life and observing an undesirable state.

• Undesirable states can include having excessive differentiation without essential table stakes or vice versa.

• Overcorrection is a common temptation when fixing an undesirable state, which can lead to new problems.

Overcorrecting in Strategy Fixing

This section explores examples of overcorrection in strategy fixing and its consequences.

Examples of Overcorrection

• Overcorrecting can occur in various domains, such as product building, hiring teams, and balancing generalists vs. specialists.

• Hiring experts from bigger companies may bring their previous company's culture and ways of working, which may not align with the current company's goals.

• Hiring highly specialized individuals may struggle in a fluid and ambiguous culture like Intercom's.

Finding Balance in Hiring Specialists

The speaker emphasizes finding balance when hiring specialists by considering adaptability within a fluid and ambiguous culture.

Balancing Generalists vs. Specialists

• Highly specialized individuals thrive in big companies but may struggle in a fluid and ambiguous culture like Intercom's.

• A middle ground approach is to hire individuals with a mix of generalist and specialist skills.

• Intercom focuses on hiring people who have some experience in a particular area but are also adaptable.

Learning from Mistakes

The speaker highlights the importance of sharing stories about mistakes made along the way and learning from them.

Embracing Mistakes

• Sharing stories of mistakes helps others learn from them and understand that not everything was perfect.

• Avoid swinging the pendulum too far in one direction, as extreme swings may not be suitable for every situation.

• Finding the right balance between extremes is crucial.

Lessons Learned: Avoiding Extreme Swings

The speaker discusses the importance of avoiding extreme swings when making strategic decisions.

Avoiding Extreme Swings

• Sometimes extreme swings are necessary, such as going all-in on AI or mobile.

• However, it is essential to find the boundary and avoid swinging too far in any direction.

• Balancing differentiation with building table stakes features is crucial for success.

Story: Privacy Challenges at Google

The speaker shares a story about privacy challenges faced at Google in the past.

Privacy Challenges at Google

• Privacy was a significant concern at Google, leading to circular conversations and blocking product progress.

• These challenges highlight the importance of addressing issues effectively without hindering overall progress.

Knowing Where the Boundary Is

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of crossing boundaries to gain knowledge and understanding. They emphasize that stopping before reaching the boundary may lead to missing out on valuable insights.

Crossing Boundaries for Growth

• The speaker suggests that in order to know where the boundary is, one must cross it.

• Crossing boundaries can be painful, but it is necessary for personal and professional growth.

• Stopping before reaching the boundary may result in missing out on valuable opportunities and insights.

Product Market Story Fit

The speaker introduces the concept of "Product Market Story Fit" and highlights its significance in building successful products.

Understanding Product Market Fit

• Product Market Fit refers to building the right product for the right market.

• Many product-focused individuals overlook the importance of considering the market side of this equation.

• A good market consists of a large number of people facing similar problems who care deeply about finding a solution.

• The product serves as a solution to address these problems within the market.

Importance of Storytelling in Product Success

The speaker emphasizes the role of storytelling in conveying product value and creating engagement with customers.

The Power of Storytelling

• The story behind a product is crucial for its success, sometimes even more important than having a great product or being in a good market.

• Complex explanations or over-intellectualization can hinder effective communication with potential customers.

• A compelling story helps capture attention, generate interest, and convey value effectively.

• All individuals involved in product development should prioritize storytelling skills alongside technical expertise.

Lessons from Failed Products

The speaker reflects on the failure of certain products despite being in good markets and having strong features, attributing it to a lack of effective storytelling.

Failed Products with Strong Features

• Some products fail even when they have strong features and are in good markets.

• A case example is AIO, a Spotify competitor that had similar market conditions but failed due to ineffective storytelling.

• The story behind the product plays a significant role in capturing customer attention and conveying its value.

Importance of Positioning and Marketing

The speaker highlights the importance of positioning and marketing in explaining why a product is better than its competitors.

Positioning and Marketing

• Positioning plays a crucial role in highlighting why a product is superior to its competitors.

• Being able to clearly explain why a product is better is essential for attracting customers.

• Product teams should focus not only on building great products but also on effectively communicating their value through marketing efforts.

Jobs to Be Done Framework

The speaker shares their perspective on the effectiveness of the "Jobs to Be Done" framework in understanding customer needs and problem-solving.

Evaluating the Jobs to Be Done Framework

• The speaker acknowledges that the "Jobs to Be Done" framework can be useful for understanding customer problems.

• They emphasize simplicity over getting caught up in debates about different versions or nuances of the framework.

• Ultimately, what matters most is building a great product that solves real customer problems based on thorough research.

The Importance of Energy and Job Stories

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of energy in problem-solving and introduces the concept of job stories.

Energy as a Key Factor in Problem-Solving

• It is crucial to have people with high energy levels when tackling problems.

• Interviewing individuals allows one to gauge their level of enthusiasm and passion for the task at hand.

• Distinguishing between apathy and genuine interest is relatively easy.

Introduction to Job Stories

• The idea of job stories was accidentally developed by the speaker.

• Initially, it did not have a name until someone else coined it as "job stories."

• Job stories provide a simple and effective way to build great products.

Four Forces Framework for Decision-Making

This section explores the four forces framework, which helps understand why people make decisions.

Four Forces Framework

• The four forces framework is derived from differentiating factors that influence people's decision-making process.

• These forces vary when individuals consider switching products or solutions.

• The framework includes elements such as differentiation, attraction, adoption barriers, and anxieties.

The Power of Four Forces

Here, an anecdote is shared to highlight the effectiveness of the four forces framework in decision-making.

Anecdote: Convincing Someone to Join

• The speaker shares a personal story about being convinced to leave Facebook and join another company.

• Colleagues used the four forces framework to outline reasons for joining while addressing anxieties through open conversation.

• This experience demonstrates how powerful the four forces framework can be in understanding decision-making processes.

Keeping Things Simple with Jobs-to-be-Done

This section emphasizes simplicity in utilizing jobs-to-be-done framework and avoiding unnecessary distractions.

Simplicity in Jobs-to-be-Done

• The speaker finds the jobs-to-be-done framework useful for various purposes, such as podcasts and newsletters.

• It is essential to avoid getting distracted by endless processes and optimization techniques that can slow down progress.

• The primary goal should be to use tools and frameworks that help build software products that improve people's lives.

Lightning Round: Book Recommendations

In this lightning round, the speaker shares book recommendations and discusses their significance.

Recommended Books

• "It's Not How Good You Are, It's How Good You Want to Be" by Paul Arden: A book that highlights unlimited potential when approached with the right mindset.

• "Principles" by Ray Dalio: A book endorsed by the speaker, emphasizing the importance of principles in personal and professional life.

Lightning Round: Favorite Movie or TV Show

The lightning round continues with a discussion on favorite movies or TV shows.

Favorite Recent Movie or TV Show

• The speaker mentions "The Bear" as a recent favorite show.

• The show resonates with the speaker because it celebrates the value of hard work and perseverance, which are essential aspects of achieving success.

Lightning Round: Interview Questions

This section focuses on an intriguing interview question preferred by the speaker.

Unique Interview Question

• Instead of relying on memory-based questions, the speaker prefers asking candidates a thought-provoking question during reference calls.

• The question asks about feedback that would be given to a candidate during their first performance review.

• This question provides valuable insights into how candidates perceive themselves and their areas for improvement.

Lightning Round: Favorite Product Discovery

The final lightning round question explores the speaker's favorite product discovery.

Favorite Product Discovery

• The speaker mentions being fascinated by AI products, particularly highlighting Chach PT Vision and Rewind as recent favorites.

Record Your Actual Day and Favorite Life Motto

In this section, the speaker discusses the importance of recording your actual day and shares their favorite life motto.

Recording Your Actual Day

• The speaker emphasizes the importance of recording your actual day.

• They mention a product called "Flack" that may help with this, although they express uncertainty about its authenticity.

Favorite Life Motto

• The speaker's favorite life motto is "Only work on what matters most."

• They have it posted on their monitor as a reminder.

• Another related motto is to "stop worrying about things you can't control."

• These mottos help them prioritize and reduce stress.

Lessons Learned and Focus on What You Can Control

In this section, the speaker shares some valuable lessons they have learned and discusses the importance of focusing on what you can control.

Lessons Learned

• The speaker reflects on sending unnecessary emails in the past and advises against overreacting to situations.

• They mention learning from the book "Seven Habits of Highly Effective People" about focusing on what you can control.

• There are three circles: things you can control, things you can influence, and things you have no control over.

Focus on What You Can Control

• The speaker finds it helpful to focus on what they can control rather than worrying about things beyond their control.

• They emphasize the importance of taking a step back, getting a coffee, and considering if something really matters before reacting.

Real-Life Hack - Post-it Note on Monitor

In this section, the speaker shares a real-life hack involving a post-it note placed strategically on their monitor.

Post-it Note Hack

• The speaker discovered a real-life hack a few years ago.

• They place a post-it note on the bottom left of their monitor, covering part of the screen.

• This serves as a reminder to focus on what matters most and helps them stay on track.

Be Nice to People - Valuable Lesson from Parents

In this section, the speaker discusses the valuable lesson they learned from their parents about being nice to people.

Importance of Being Nice

• The speaker's parents taught them the importance of being nice to people.

• They emphasize that being nice goes further than people realize.

• They highlight that everyone has their own struggles and stresses, which may influence their behavior.

• The speaker advises against acting in ways that one might regret later.

Doing the Harder Thing - Firing People with Kindness

In this section, the speaker talks about doing the harder thing and firing people with kindness.

Doing the Harder Thing

• The speaker shares their experience of having to fire someone for the first time at Intercom.

• Initially not liking it, they realized that it often works out for both sides and is actually the nicer thing to do.

• They believe that doing the harder thing can be seen as an act of kindness in certain situations.

Irish Food Recommendations - Guinness and Fish

In this section, the speaker recommends trying Guinness and fish when visiting Ireland.

Guinness in Ireland

• The speaker suggests trying Guinness in Ireland as it is much better due to its freshness and local brewing process.

• They compare it to milk going off after a few days, indicating that fresher Guinness tastes better.

Fish in Ireland

• The speaker mentions that Ireland excels in fish dishes.

• They acknowledge that Irish food may not have the best reputation overall, but the fish is incredible due to Ireland being an island.

Availability of Guinness Outside of Ireland

• The speaker notes that Guinness can be enjoyed outside of Ireland if you are near a brewery.

• They mention Nigeria as a significant Guinness market and state that there is also a brewery on the East Coast between New York and Eastern Canada in the United States.

The Travel Path of Guinness

In this section, the speaker discusses the travel path of Guinness and shares some myths and stories associated with it.

The Journey of Guinness

• Guinness is said to have traveled through a canal back up to San Francisco.

• The exact age of Guinness during this journey is uncertain, but it is estimated to be around 12 weeks old.

Myths and Stories

• There are many myths surrounding the travel path of Guinness, making it difficult to determine what is true.

• The speaker shares stories that they have been told about the journey of Guinness.

Contact Information and How Listeners Can Be Useful

In this section, the speaker provides their contact information and invites listeners to reach out. They also discuss how listeners can be useful to them.

Contact Information

• The speaker's handle is "paddy" which can be found everywhere online.

• Their email address is patty@gmail.com.

Being Useful to the Speaker

• The speaker welcomes people reaching out to genuinely learn from them.

• They are open to hearing alternative opinions and challenges to their own ideas.

• They appreciate engaging with individuals who have different perspectives as it helps them learn and improve.

Welcoming Alternative Opinions

In this section, the speaker emphasizes their interest in hearing alternative opinions and encourages others to challenge their ideas.

Openness to Different Perspectives

• The speaker values people who hold alternative opinions and are willing to challenge their own ideas.

• They enjoy engaging in conversations with individuals who have different viewpoints.

• YouTube comments are mentioned as a place where diverse opinions can be found.

Conclusion and Call to Action

In this section, the speaker concludes the conversation and encourages listeners to take certain actions.

Gratitude and Farewell

• The speaker expresses gratitude for the opportunity to be part of the conversation.

• They thank the host and bid farewell to everyone listening.

Call to Action

• Listeners are encouraged to subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or their favorite podcast app.

• Leaving a rating or review is requested as it greatly helps the show.

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