The Jogan Experience and the Saw Bones

In this section, the speaker discusses the Jogan Experience and the discovery of saw bones that have been carbon dated to be around 190 years old.

Discovery of Saw Bones

• The speaker received a call from a State Trooper named Eric Spitzer who had seen him on Joe Rogan's podcast and wanted to introduce himself.

• Eric Spitzer and his kids enjoy looking for bones in the woods, so they visited the speaker's Boneyard where they found bone fragments, a mammoth tusk, and several saw bones.

• The saw bones are believed to be around 190 years old and there are now 15 of them in total.

• The bones are referred to as the "Spitzer find" after Eric Spitzer's daughters who discovered them.

Carbon Dating

• One of the saw bones was carbon dated to confirm its age.

• The speaker brought one of the carbon-dated saw bones with him during the discussion.

• There is a notch on the bone where a sample was cut out for carbon dating.

Utility of Saw Bones

• It is unclear what kind of animal these saw bones come from. Some speculate it could be a moose leg bone.

• The purpose or utility of these specific bone shapes is unknown. It is suggested that they may have been used to access marrow or potentially hold fire embers overnight.

Historical Record and Speculations

In this section, the speaker discusses the lack of historical records from 200 years ago in that area. Speculations are made about possible Russian ownership during that time period.

Historical Record

• There is little recorded history available for that specific area from 200 years ago.

• Comparisons are made to an Werner Herzog documentary called "Happy People: A Year in the Taiga" which showcases people living a primitive lifestyle in Siberia with minimal historical records.

Russian Ownership

• It is mentioned that Russians owned Alaska during the same time frame as the saw bones' age.

• Speculation is made that Russians may have explored and settled in the area, potentially using the bones for utility purposes.

• The speaker agrees that it is possible but acknowledges that there is no concrete evidence or knowledge about the true purpose of these bones.

Conclusion

The discovery of saw bones dating back around 190 years raises questions about their origin and purpose. While speculation suggests they may have been used to access marrow or hold fire embers, there is no definitive answer. The lack of historical records from 200 years ago adds to the mystery surrounding these findings.

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The speaker discusses a rock called "skinning Rock" and its origins from Eastern Europe. They also mention the Ice free Corridor and the presence of various animals in the area.

Origins of Skinning Rock

• Skinning Rock is an old rock found on top of a hill, but its exact origin and age are unknown. It is made of stone from Eastern Europe.

Ice Free Corridor and Migration

• The Ice free Corridor allowed for migration across the land bridge into the lower 48 states. This resulted in a lot of traveling and migrating.

• Despite claims that certain animals did not live in the area, evidence has been found by the speaker's company, including direwolves and sabertooths. Other animals such as badgers and elk were also thought to be absent, but it was simply due to a lack of finding their bones.

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The speaker talks about their findings of various animal bones that were previously believed not to exist in certain areas.

Evidence Contradicting Beliefs

• The speaker's company has found evidence of direwolves and sabertooths, despite previous beliefs that they did not exist in certain areas. They mention sending one specimen to New York City for further study. Other animals like badgers and elk were also thought to be absent based on a lack of bone findings.

• In a documentary film, it is stated by Pat dren Miller, curator and director of a museum, that none of these animals have ever been found in the area. However, according to the speaker's knowledge, they have indeed been found but some specimens were stolen or not made available for examination by certain museums.

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The speaker discusses their efforts to retrieve stolen bones and their plans to address the issue through political means.

Addressing Stolen Bones

• The speaker expresses frustration with museums and their lack of transparency regarding bone collections. They believe that some academics in charge of these institutions want to control the narrative and information.

• The speaker mentions a plan involving state legislature, specifically Senator Click Bishop, who is working on getting the bones back to Alaska from the British museum. They also mention involving the Congressional Delegation after going through the state legislature process.

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The speaker explains their approach to resolving the issue of stolen bones and emphasizes the importance of studying them for understanding extinction events.

Political Solution

• The speaker believes that a political solution is necessary rather than relying solely on legal action or litigation. They express their intention to get the bones back in Alaska for further study and research.

• Studying these bones is crucial as they hold answers about extinction events, but so far, no scientific research has been conducted due to a lack of stratagraph information and uncertainty about where they were found. However, the speaker claims to have this information and aims to put it all together for study purposes.

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The conversation shifts towards discussing academic response and potential outreach after the podcast.

Academic Response

• No academics have reached out to the speaker after the podcast as far as they know. The listener discovered the speaker's Instagram page and was amazed by their collection of bones at one spot covering 2.1 acres. There may be more undiscovered areas with significant bone findings.

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The speaker reflects on the joy and happiness experienced by visitors to their bone collection site.

Visitors' Reactions

• The speaker mentions the positive reactions of visitors, such as Eric Spitzer and his daughters, who show great enthusiasm and happiness when exploring the bone collection site. These interactions serve as a reminder of the significance and wonder of their findings.

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The conversation continues about specific bones and potential display options.

Displaying Bones

• The speaker mentions a "spitzer bone" that is not present in the listener's lobby. They discuss potential ways to display it, including building a stand for it. There is also mention of a step bison head that needs to be preserved properly rather than mounted on a vehicle.

• The listener suggests mounting the step bison head on a Cadillac, but the speaker emphasizes the importance of preservation over novelty. They express gratitude for having such an amazing collection site with numerous bones waiting to be uncovered and studied.