What Are Women Actually Attracted To? - Catherine Salmon
Catherine Salmon is an evolutionary psychology researcher, professor of Psychology at the University of Redlands and an author. Women can be a mystery, sometimes even to themselves. Modern culture is making many proclamations about what women like and why they should like it, but are these new headlines accurate, or even desirable? Expect to learn why women love erotic stories so much, whether evolutionary psychology is sexist, why Catherine did a study where people rated the attractiveness of faces which had jizz on them, why feminine men are being pushed in media but don't feature in dark romance novels, the role of commitment in female attraction and much more... Sponsors: Get the Whoop 4.0 for free and get your first month for free at http://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Get $100 off plus an extra 15% discount on Qualia Mind at https://neurohacker.com/modernwisdom (use code MW15) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and Free Shipping from Athletic Greens at https://athleticgreens.com/modernwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Follow Catherine on Twitter - https://twitter.com/CatherineSalmon Get my free Reading List of 100 books to read before you die → https://chriswillx.com/books/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #women #attraction #evolutionarypsychology - 00:00 Intro 00:21 Why People Enjoy “Facial Deposits” 09:44 What is the Psychology Behind Rough Sex? 15:57 Why So Many Niches of Porn Exist 29:02 Is there an Agenda Towards Feminine Men? 35:55 Women’s Obsession with True Crime 46:52 Is Evolutionary Psychology Sexist? 53:23 How Having Babies Impacts Sex Drive 1:02:33 Where to Find Catherine - Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Listen to all episodes on audio: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/
What Are Women Actually Attracted To? - Catherine Salmon
Introduction
The speaker talks about the failure of romance novels that tried to push a softer and gentler view of guys. They also introduce their study on reactions to jizz on the face porn stimuli.
- Romance novels that tried to push a softer and gentler view of guys failed.
- The speaker introduces their study on reactions to jizz on the face porn stimuli.
Study on Reactions to Jizz on the Face Porn Stimuli
The speaker discusses their study, which involved showing people faces with deposits made on them and asking them about how arousing or degrading they found those images to be.
- The study involved showing people faces with deposits made on them.
- Participants were asked about how arousing or degrading they found those images to be.
- Men generally preferred female faces where they looked like they were enjoying the experience.
- Straight men did not like looking at pictures of other men ejaculating on their face.
- Homosexual men preferred photos of other men ejaculating on their face.
- Bisexual women liked the images more than either heterosexual or lesbian women.
Factors that Affect Sexual Attitudes and Preferences
The speaker discusses the factors that affect sexual attitudes and preferences, including bodily fluids, sociosexuality, and sexual orientation.
Factors that Affect Sexual Attitudes and Preferences
- Bodily fluids near the face are generally considered disgusting or degrading.
- People who are more permissive in their sexual attitudes tend to be more interested in short-term mating.
- Whether the recipient likes it and whether there is a match in sexual orientation have the biggest impact on enjoyment of sexual images.
Why is Ejaculation on the Face So Popular?
The speaker explores why ejaculation on the face is so popular in pornography.
Reasons for Popularity of Ejaculation on the Face
- It's a visual sign of ejaculation that provides proof.
- Men like to look at women's faces, which convey information about differences between different women.
- Seeing lots of different women being extra arousing as compared to just one woman may also be appealing.
Misinterpretation of Rough Sex
The speaker discusses how rough sex can sometimes be misinterpreted as a desire to please one's partner rather than an expression of aggression.
Misinterpretation of Rough Sex
- Women may misinterpret rough sex as being an expression of passion rather than aggression.
- Doing things that your partner likes can lead to a more satisfying sexual relationship over time.
Motivators for Rough Sex
In this section, Catherine and the speaker discuss what motivates both men and women to engage in rough sex. They explore the idea that women may be interested in rough sex as a way of testing male physical prowess or as a means of experiencing a man's physical strength.
Possible Motivators for Women
- Women may find it appealing when a man is so passionately in love with them that he is not as careful during sex.
- Women may be interested in commitment and enjoy having power over another individual.
- Women may unconsciously select for aggressive and physically strong males, similar to some animal species.
Novelty Seeking
- People may try rough sex because it is something new or different.
- This motivation seems to be more about novelty than aggression.
Sexual Jealousy
- Men who experience sexual jealousy may be more likely to engage in rough sex.
- Rough sex during sexual jealousy involves thrusting harder and penetrating further. It could provide better stimulation but also leads to shorter duration of orgasm for women.
Study Design
In this section, the speaker explains how they conducted their study on rough sex.
Methodology
- Participants were asked about their experiences with rough sex through surveys.
- The study did not involve asking participants to have sex in the lab.
Understanding Sexual Preferences
In this section, the speaker discusses the variety of niches in porn and why humans are not sexually simple.
Variety in Porn
- There are many different genres of porn, but there are also similarities between them.
- Differences in people's preferences for certain aspects or positions make up individual differences.
- People's inclinations towards infidelity and sociosexuality can shape their porn preferences.
Women and Porn
- Women watch less porn than men do.
- Some women prefer visual pornography while others prefer reading about it.
- Top erotic sites for women tend to be written rather than visual.
Personal Experience
- The speaker has attended a dark romance book convention and has been on the front cover of some books.
Women's Preferences in Erotic and Romantic Media
This section discusses the differences between visual media and books when it comes to appealing to women's preferences in erotic and romantic content.
Visual Media vs. Books
- Women tend to enjoy movies that are romantic or erotic, such as Brokeback Mountain.
- Books can do a better job of appealing to women's interests because they provide more information about the characters and their long-term commitment potential.
- Movies may not work for all women because they may not find the actors attractive, whereas books appeal more broadly.
- Fan fiction is popular because readers can imagine the characters looking the way they want them to look.
Interacting with Women at Romance Conventions
This section discusses the author's experience interacting with women at romance conventions as a cover model.
Romance Conventions
- Women have significant fantasies about romance novel characters, which makes interacting with them interesting.
- Fan fiction is popular because readers can fantasize about relationships with characters that look the way they want them to look.
- The author has been on several covers and has interacted mostly with authors who take their writing seriously.
- The author refused to give a copy of one of his books to his mother due to its erotic content.
Why Women Prefer Erotica
This section discusses why women prefer erotica and what it says about their mating strategy.
Mating Strategy
- Women prefer erotica because it involves a long-term commitment from a high-value, powerful man who is able to get the woman he wants.
- Women's lower desire for sexual variety suggests that it isn't just about the erotica, but also about the investment and long-term mate value.
Short-term Mating and Pornography Consumption
In this section, the speakers discuss the relationship between short-term mating and pornography consumption. They also explore differences in the percentage of women that consume pornography across countries.
Short-term Mating and Pornography Consumption
- Men may be more interested in short-term mating, which could influence their pornography consumption.
- Pornhub's data suggests that there are differences in the percentage of women that consume pornography across countries.
- Seth Stevens Davidowitz found that India has the highest proportion of breastfeeding porn in the world.
- Women in India have sacred views about cows, which may explain why there is so much breastfeeding porn.
The Characteristics of Dark Romance Guys
In this section, the speakers discuss their observations on the characteristics of men who attend dark romance events. They also explore why erotica seems to feature a different type of man than what is popularized in mainstream culture.
Characteristics of Dark Romance Guys
- Men who attend dark romance events tend to have similar physical characteristics: they are strong, lean, and go to the gym.
- There seems to be a trend where women are applauding significantly more feminine men in popular culture.
- There is a Gen Z TikTok trend where super femme guys at 18 are highly rated on Tinder.
Erotica vs Mainstream Culture
- Erotica seems to reveal preferences for a different type of man than what is popularized in mainstream culture.
- There can be a social agenda behind pushing for less aggressive men and a negative view of masculinity in general.
What Women Want in Men
In this section, the speaker discusses what women want in men and how it relates to erotica.
Women's Fantasies
- Women's fantasies are not generally about men they can push around. They're about men that are useful if the world comes to an end.
- Historically and ancestrally, women valued in men whether he is going to be a good provider, protector, take care of their kids and give them good genes that will make them strong.
Antiquated View of Women's Desires
- The speaker responds to the idea that her views on what women want from men are antiquated.
- Romance novels tried to push the softer gentler kinder view of guys but didn't sell well because it might not be what women fantasize about.
- There may be variation between women regarding what they want from a partner.
Object of Sexual Desire
In this section, the speaker talks about how sexual desire may not match up with what one wants as a long-term partner.
Differences Between Short-Term Mating Strategy and Long-Term Partner Preferences
- Sexual desire is almost a kind of object of sexual desire that may not match up with what you would want as a long-term partner.
- What you might want in a mate might also not be what you can get.
True Crime Obsession Among Women
In this section, the speaker discusses why women are obsessed with true crime stories.
True Crime Fascination
- True Crime is the single biggest podcast category that exists.
- The speaker wonders why women are obsessed with crime and murderous stories.
Women's Fascination with Crime and Mate Preferences
In this section, the speaker discusses why women may be fascinated with crime and how their mate preferences may shift based on their environment.
Women's Fascination with Crime
- People are fascinated with crime because they want to learn how to avoid being victims.
- Some women may also be fascinated by the idea of some men being like the apex predator in a dangerous environment.
- Dexter as a serial killer is not a traditional psychopath because he has emotional attachments. This might make him more appealing to women who want the predator but still want him to be devoted to her.
- Dual functions of fascination with crime: understanding phenomenon well enough to never become a victim and wanting the predator by your side in dangerous environments.
Mate Preferences
- Women living in more dangerous environments prefer more aggressive men. They value physical prowess and aggressiveness more in males.
- Masculine traits that were once admired may not be as essential in women's mate preferences if they live in a benign world. However, it seems unlikely that the world will become that benign anytime soon.
- Revealed versus stated preferences - women may say they prefer feminine men, but evidence suggests they still tend to date taller men on average. Men tend to want shorter women on average.
The Impact of Culture on Sexual Preferences
In this section, the speakers discuss how culture can impact sexual preferences and desires. They also talk about the dangers of pushing a certain narrative or agenda when it comes to dating and relationships.
The Influence of Culture on Sexual Preferences
- Employment status for women is less important than for men due to hypergamy.
- Cultural narratives can influence what people find attractive in a partner.
- Hypocrisy should be pointed out when it comes to cultural narratives around dating and relationships.
The Dangers of Pushing a Certain Narrative
- Hypocrisy should be pointed out because sexual desires are filtered through culture.
- People may end up with messed up sexual preferences if they only see one narrative pushed by the media.
- It's problematic to give people advice that could be detrimental to them finding what they really want.
Strategies for Finding Partners
- People should be concerned with what is being pushed as the main narrative in terms of sexual behavior and what people want or should want.
- It's not beneficial to push people towards finding certain traits attractive if they don't naturally find them appealing.
- Revealed and stated preferences are often different, making it difficult to cheat the market and sexual desire.
Representation in Media
- Body positivity, sexual orientation, disability awareness, etc. are all important issues when it comes to representation in media.
- However, designers create shows based on what they believe will be most effective, so viewers have the power to vote with their eyes by watching something else if they disagree with a show's representation.
Evolutionary Psychology and Feminism
In this section, the speaker discusses the relationship between evolutionary psychology and feminism. She talks about whether or not evolutionary psychology is sexist and if it can be complementary to feminism.
Can Evolutionary Psychology Be Complementary to Feminism?
- Some argue that you can have feminist evolutionary psychology while others argue that it is sexist.
- The terms and definitions of these fields have become politicized, making them almost completely devoid of looking at the reality of people's actual behavior.
- To some extent, there are differences between men and women that were shaped by our evolutionary history. This doesn't mean that we're alien species but it means that the problems we face were different, so we evolved different solutions.
- Taking a broader view over the last 30 to 40 years around feminism and preconceptions around women's role in society, some sexual stereotypes like the idea that women are always submissive may not translate into concrete things.
Are They Mutually Incompatible?
- Some sexual stereotypes involved in preconceptions around women's role in society may imply submissiveness or dominance.
- Stereotypes come from somewhere; they weren't just created by culture. These are things that were very common amongst groups of people who make generalizations about them. They're not true of every individual but they're true of many individuals.
- Increasingly you may see a lot more race play in the bedroom as it's exactly the sort of thing you're not allowed to do when you're in the real world. It's a reversal of what you're used to.
Reversal of Polarity in the Bedroom
In this section, the speaker talks about how people's sexual preferences may differ from their public persona.
The Reversal of Polarity in the Bedroom
- People's sexual preferences may differ from their public persona.
- The high-powered boss lawyer that wants to be tied up at home is an example of a reversal of what you see publicly in terms of the polarity of the bedroom.
Changes in Pornography and Taboos
The speaker discusses how changes in what is no longer permitted may lead to an increase in taboo scenarios being reflected in pornography. They also mention the possibility of seeing more interracial content and specific types of scenarios within those combinations that could have been seen as taboo.
Changes in Pornography
- With so much pornography now being distributed online, there may be an uptick in taboo scenarios.
- Interracial content and specific types of scenarios within those combinations that could have been seen as taboo may become more prevalent.
Chemical Differences Between Men and Women
The speaker talks about differences in chemicals emitted from babies' heads making men more docile and women more aggressive. They discuss how this might cause women to become more protective of their children and other children within the same group.
Chemical Differences
- Babies emit different chemicals from their heads that make men more docile and women more aggressive.
- Women may become more protective of their children and other children within the same group due to these chemical differences.
Aggressive Cuteness
The speaker discusses a phenomenon called "aggressive cuteness" where women feel compelled to squish cute things. They talk about the strange compulsion behind this behavior.
Aggressive Cuteness
- Women sometimes feel compelled to squish cute things due to a strange compulsion.
- The speaker finds this behavior disturbing and creepy but suggests it could be due to intensity of reaction or not having another outlet for it.
Screaming for the Beatles
The speaker talks about a study that just came out about why women scream when they see the Beatles and other pop stars. They discuss how screams are a common context for human excitement.
Screaming for Pop Stars
- A recent study looked at why women scream when they see the Beatles and other pop stars.
- Screams are a common context for human excitement, as seen in children at playgrounds and school bus stops.
Why Do Fans Scream at Concerts?
This section explores the reasons why fans scream at concerts, drawing on examples from The Beatles and Justin Bieber. It also examines the similarities between screaming for beloved music acts and monstrous dictators.
Screaming as Emotional Contagion
- Screaming is contagious and attracts attention.
- Emotional contagion occurs in humans and some animals.
Competitive Screaming
- Rachel Simmons views screaming as competitive, with young women signaling their allegiance to the band.
- Competitive screams may function in an arena governed by sexual selection but shaped by cultural context of mass gatherings and presence of a superstar.
Look at Me Phenomenon
- Screaming is a mode of human communication that shows complexity in conveying messages such as "look at me."
- Girls lifting up their shirts during concerts is part of the "look at me" aspect of screaming.
Women's Wrestling in the Past
In this section, Catherine Simon talks about how women used to behave during wrestling matches in the past.
Women's Behavior During Wrestling Matches
- Women used to pull their shirts up and have written on their breasts the logo or nickname of the wrestler they liked.
- They would scream with their hands above their head and their shirt half covering their face.
- It was a simpler time where getting your breasts out on television was not considered weird.
Contact Information for Catherine Simon
In this section, Catherine Simon provides her contact information for those who want to keep up with her work.
Contact Information
- Interested individuals can find Catherine Simon at redlands.edu.
- Academic papers can be found on researchgate.
- For any questions, people can email Catherine at catherine_salmon.redlin or at redlands.edu.
Conclusion
In this section, the podcast host concludes the episode and encourages listeners to check out other episodes.
End of Episode
- The podcast host thanks Catherine Simon for being a guest on the show.
- Listeners are encouraged to check out other episodes by pressing a link provided.