MangaEtNonCast #57- Fraude! O Funeral de Jujutsu Kaisen

Introduction and Live Stream Announcement

Opening Remarks

• Mateus Chibo introduces himself and his friend Henrique, announcing the return of live streams with his camera on next week.

• He expresses excitement about seeing viewers' reactions to his face during the live stream.

Discussion on Community Engagement

Viewer Interaction

• Mateus mentions a viewer named Gabriel and thanks him for a gift, indicating a sense of community within the channel.

• The conversation shifts to other viewers like Elo Perdido and Simeone, highlighting their participation in the chat.

Critique of Recent Manga Developments

Execution Issues in Storytelling

• A discussion arises regarding perceived intensity among fans over unresolved plot points, suggesting that execution has been poor.

• Mateus shares an anecdote about explaining manga plot details to a friend unfamiliar with it, emphasizing confusion around character roles.

Character Analysis and Plot Quality

Characters and Their Development

• The conversation touches on character identities (e.g., G's gender ambiguity), reflecting frustration over inconsistent storytelling.

• Mateus critiques recent chapters for declining quality, comparing them unfavorably to earlier works.

Decline in Manga Quality

Specific Chapter Critiques

• He describes a recent chapter where characters exhibit unrealistic powers, likening one character's transformation to another well-known figure (Enel).

• There is further criticism directed at how certain story arcs have been handled poorly, suggesting a lack of coherence in narrative progression.

Authorial Intentions and Fan Reactions

Speculations on Author's Motivation

• Mateus speculates that the author may be reacting negatively to adaptations of their work due to poor animation quality.

• He suggests that this dissatisfaction could lead the author to intentionally undermine their own work as a form of protest against its adaptation.

Animation Quality Concerns

Evaluation of Animation Standards

• The discussion includes disappointment over animation quality in specific episodes compared to earlier seasons.

• Mateus argues that while some recent episodes show improvement, many earlier ones were subpar and did not meet audience expectations.

Conclusion on Production Value

Final Thoughts on Production Decisions

• He concludes by expressing disbelief at production choices made during early episodes, criticizing delays in resource allocation for better animation.

Discussion on Jujutsu Kaisen's Narrative and Character Dynamics

Critique of the Gojo vs. Sukuna Fight

• The speaker expresses disappointment in the stylization of the fight, describing it as chaotic and poorly executed, leading to a lack of enjoyment due to foreknowledge of future events.

• Acknowledgment that some fans feel upset about Gojo's defeat, with strong language used to describe Sukuna as "demonic" and a significant antagonist.

• The length of the fight is criticized for being excessive without proper narrative control, suggesting that such long battles can detract from storytelling effectiveness.

• Despite acknowledging that Gojo had multiple opportunities to lose without damaging narrative tension, the outcome was unsatisfactory because he ultimately won.

• The issue isn't just about winning or losing; it's about how Gojo's victory undermines established stakes within the story.

Comparisons Between Arcs

• Discussion on differing opinions regarding arcs like Shibuya and Kokin; while some prefer Shibuya for its depth, others argue Kokin has superior elements.

• The speaker maintains that Shibuya remains a strong arc but acknowledges Kokin’s merits in character development and plot progression.

• Mention of upcoming new characters hints at potential shifts in narrative focus but does not elaborate on specifics.

Powers and Abstraction in Jujutsu Kaisen

• Concerns are raised about the complexity and abstraction of character powers, which can lead to confusion among viewers if not clearly explained during fights.

• Noting that while certain battles have their strengths, they often rely on abstract abilities that may alienate audiences unfamiliar with intricate power dynamics.

Narrative Coherence Issues

• The speaker highlights issues with narrative coherence regarding character powers; there seems to be a lack of clear rules governing these abilities throughout the series.

• Criticism directed at how explanations for powers were handled during critical moments; this inconsistency affects audience engagement and understanding.

Final Thoughts on Character Development

• A specific chapter raises questions about character mortality when discussing Sukuna’s ability to reincarnate—this leads to debates over what constitutes death within the story's framework.

• Clarification is sought regarding whether Sukuna truly dies or simply transitions into another form; this ambiguity complicates viewer comprehension of stakes involved in battles.

Discussion on Jujutsu Kaisen and Its Themes

The Nature of Battles in Jujutsu Kaisen

• The speaker discusses how certain battles in Jujutsu Kaisen can feel more like manga than anime, indicating a unique storytelling style that resonates with the audience.

• The concept of "Domain Expansion" is highlighted as a significant aspect that revives symbolic elements within fights, allowing for creative expressions during battles.

• A comparison is made between the fight dynamics in Jujutsu Kaisen and other series like Bleach, emphasizing that Jujutsu avoids rapid movement clichés often seen in other shonen works.

Critique of Symbolism and Context

• The speaker argues that the devotion to demonic themes has negatively impacted the narrative coherence of Jujutsu Kaisen, leading to a lack of contextual depth.

• It’s noted that while some shonen works may not provide clear explanations, they manage to resolve conflicts symbolically; however, this balance seems lost in Jujutsu Kaisen's approach.

Issues with Narrative Depth

• There is a critique regarding the reliance on reader interpretation for understanding complex themes within the story. This dependence on mental imagery can detract from overall clarity.

• The discussion points out a critical failure in symbolism related to satanic themes, suggesting it leads to an oversimplified view of power dynamics within the series.

Power Dynamics and Character Strength

• The conversation shifts towards character powers, particularly Gojo's celestial abilities compared to others who rely solely on invoking spirits or demons.

• A stark contrast is drawn between higher-level powers versus lower-tier abilities tied to traditional practices (referred to as "Macumba"), which limits character development.

Highlights of Notable Fights

• Specific battles are praised for their execution: notably Iuta's fight against multiple opponents showcases impressive domain expansions.

• Other notable fights include Sukuna versus Gojo and Kenj against Yuk; these are considered among the best due to their complexity and engagement level.

• There's mention of various fight scenes where characters exhibit unique abilities but also critiques about inconsistencies in spatial logic during combat scenarios.

Understanding Sukuna's Power Dynamics

The Nature of Sukuna's Abilities

• The discussion begins with the complexity of reality within the narrative, emphasizing that it cannot be easily altered or explained without acknowledging fundamental aspects of Sukuna's power.

• Sukuna’s abilities are described as fundamentally materialistic, lacking any metaphysical dimensions. His powers do not transcend the physical realm to exert influence.

• A comparison is made between Sukuna and Mahoraga, highlighting that Mahoraga adapts more easily to Sukuna’s straightforward cutting ability than to Gojo’s complex powers.

Evolution of Reality Manipulation

• There is a suggestion that if Sukuna can elevate his cutting ability to a new level, he effectively enhances his manipulation of reality, which poses significant implications for the narrative.

• The speaker asserts that Sukuna embodies a demonic archetype rather than being associated with pagan deities, suggesting he represents a superhuman entity with dark attributes.

Narrative Coherence and Authorial Intent

• The author must acknowledge this evolution in Sukuna’s power; failing to do so would undermine narrative coherence and suggest a lack of explanation for these developments.

• Questions arise about whether the author will have the courage to fully embrace this darker aspect of storytelling or if they will sidestep it entirely.

Implications for Character Development

• Speculation arises regarding potential plot developments where Yuji absorbs elements of Sukuna's power, leading to conflicts characterized by demonic themes.

• A hypothetical scenario is presented where character dynamics shift dramatically if certain characters were resurrected or introduced at pivotal moments in the story.

Community Reactions and Symbolism

• The speaker expresses disdain for specific characters while discussing broader community reactions to character arcs and their implications within the storyline.

• An inversion of symbolism related to Satanism is noted, indicating deeper moral complexities within character portrayals that may stem from deliberate narrative choices.

Critique on Plot Decisions

• Criticism is directed towards inconsistencies in character behavior post-death, particularly regarding Gojo’s portrayal in afterlife scenarios which seem out-of-character.

• Discussion shifts towards audience engagement with plot developments and how protagonist dynamics shape viewer investment in ongoing narratives.

Conclusion on Authorial Control

• Concerns are raised about timing in plot decisions—specifically when characters are removed or reintroduced—and how these choices affect overall story resolution.

• Speculation continues around possible sabotage by the author due to dissatisfaction with adaptations or external pressures affecting creative direction.

What is Happening in Jujutsu Kaisen?

The Nature of Conflict and Cosmic Importance

• Discussion on the chaotic events occurring in "Jujutsu Kaisen," likened to a saturnalia, indicating a breakdown of order.

• Questions raised about the significance of Gojo's victory and its implications for the universe's order; highlights incongruences within the narrative.

• Emphasis on the lack of cosmic relevance among characters, suggesting that their deaths would not impact the overarching story significantly.

Character Relevance and Narrative Structure

• Commentary on character deaths being trivialized; suggests that many characters die without meaningful consequences.

• Critique of Itadori’s perceived lack of cosmic value, arguing that Gojo serves as a demiurge whose actions are crucial for maintaining balance in the universe.

Themes of Expectation and Frustration

• Assertion that most characters do not fulfill their expected roles, leading to frustration as themes are subverted throughout the series.

• Example given regarding Nobara's arc lacking significance due to her untimely death, reinforcing themes around unmet expectations.

Critique of Plot Devices

• Argument against imposed narrative structures where characters must fulfill specific roles; suggests this undermines authentic storytelling.

• Expression of dissatisfaction with unexplained elements within the plot (e.g., Maroraga), indicating confusion over character motivations and outcomes.

Speculation on Future Developments

• Hypothetical scenario discussed where Sukuna defeats Gojo but questions whether such an event would lead to significant changes or resolutions in the storyline.

• Commentary on how certain plot developments seem arbitrary or nonsensical, questioning authorial intent behind major twists.

Analysis of Other Narratives

• Comparison made between "Jujutsu Kaisen" and other narratives like "Jodio," critiquing their effectiveness in plot development and character utility.

• Reflection on audience expectations versus actual outcomes in storytelling; highlights collective disappointment regarding anticipated victories.

Discussion on Character Dynamics and Narrative in Manga

Character Development and Plot Implications

• The conversation begins with a hypothetical scenario where a character could be incapacitated but later return to finish a fight, highlighting the unpredictability of character arcs in manga.

• A debate arises regarding the moral character of two creators, Togashi and Gege, with Togashi being seen as more artistically rigorous compared to Gege's apparent disregard for narrative consistency.

• The discussion touches on the enigmatic nature of certain characters, particularly one who seeks "evolution" but lacks clarity about their goals, emphasizing confusion within the narrative.

Villain Dynamics and Story Structure

• The group reflects on the bizarre structure of villains in the story, noting that they lack clear narrative functions which complicates audience engagement.

• An amusing scene is described where characters engage in an absurd battle involving ice blocks falling from the sky, showcasing humor amidst chaos in storytelling.

Themes of Absurdity and Conflict

• The absurdity continues as characters find themselves trapped in a domain while battling each other; this highlights how unpredictable elements can drive plot tension.

• Laughter ensues as participants comment on the ridiculousness of scenarios presented in recent chapters, indicating a blend of humor with serious themes.

Narrative Choices and Audience Reception

• Speculation arises about how readers will react to significant character deaths (like Gojo), questioning whether audiences will remain engaged after such pivotal moments.

• There’s skepticism about future narratives following major events; discussions suggest that some plotlines may not resonate well with fans post-Gojo's death.

Gender Representation and Character Treatment

• Observations are made regarding gender representation within the work; it is noted that female characters often face negative outcomes or are portrayed unfavorably by certain creators.

• A mention is made about potential film adaptations or viewing options due to delays in episodes, reflecting on how media consumption affects fan engagement.

Cultural Context and Future Developments

• Comments highlight cultural nuances within storytelling—specifically how foreign nations' interests are hinted at but not fully developed within plots.

• Discussion shifts towards audience reactions to specific content choices; there’s curiosity about why certain topics provoke strong responses among viewers.

This structured summary encapsulates key discussions from the transcript while providing timestamps for easy reference.

Live Performance Insights and Community Reactions

Overview of Recent Live Events

• The recent live event had a notably low turnout, with fewer attendees compared to previous events, particularly the live session for "Seol," which attracted more viewers.

• Despite the low attendance, the performance was considered strong relative to other known anime discussions, indicating a positive reception in terms of content quality.

Upcoming Events and Programming

• A schedule for upcoming events includes discussions on "The Invention of Morel" and a Hangout meeting at 9:30 PM to further engage with community members.

• There is anticipation for future live sessions, including one focused on "D.Gray-man" scheduled in two weeks.

Audience Engagement and Feedback

• The previous day's live analysis was highlighted as one of the best yet, despite only reaching a peak audience of 42 viewers, which was disappointing given the quality of discussion.

• The host expressed confusion over the low viewership numbers since there seemed to be significant interest prior to the event.

Community Sentiment Towards Content Creators

• Brazilian otaku culture shows a notable disdain for Gonzo productions, impacting viewer engagement negatively during related discussions.

• There are ongoing conversations about potential costs associated with hosting future live events and how they might affect participation.

Discussion on Anime Popularity and Trends

• The conversation shifted towards perceptions of popular series like "Black Clover," with skepticism regarding its status as a top-tier manga among current offerings.

• Suggestions were made about revisiting classic films or series for commentary in future lives, emphasizing their cultural significance.

Community Dynamics and Influencer Impact

• Discussions included references to online communities (chan boards), highlighting differing opinions on various anime titles and creators within these spaces.

• Notable influencers within these communities have garnered both support and criticism from fans, reflecting broader trends in viewer preferences.

This structured summary captures key insights from the transcript while providing timestamps for easy reference.

Discussion on Brazilian Manga and Anime Culture

Critique of Brazilian Chan Culture

• The speaker discusses the negative perception of Brazilian Chan culture, suggesting that it is worse than its foreign counterparts. They express a belief that the standards for content are lower in Brazil.

Comparison of Manga Quality

• A comparison is made between the quality of Brazilian Chan and foreign Chan, with the speaker asserting that the former was better in earlier times. They criticize current trends as being filled with low-quality content.

Prejudice Against New Generations

• The speaker admits to having a prejudice against newer manga like "A Gqu," which has not gained popularity in Brazil. They associate it with other mainstream titles but express skepticism about its quality.

Visual Novel Adaptations

• There’s an acknowledgment that visual novels can be good, but they note that some adaptations may lack coherence or structure, leading to mixed feelings about their storytelling effectiveness.

Discussion on Fire Force and Art Style

• The speaker mentions "Fire Force" positively regarding its story but criticizes its art style as being poor. They highlight community discussions around this series and their own plans to read it soon.

Analysis of Popular Manga Trends

Community Insights on Reading Order

• There's a debate within the community about whether to read "Fire Force" before or after another title, indicating differing opinions on narrative relevance between these works.

Artistic Quality vs. Storytelling

• The discussion emphasizes how artistic quality can detract from enjoyment; despite "Fire Force" having a compelling story, its animation fails to meet expectations according to the speaker's view.

Historical Context of Fairy Tail

• The speaker reflects on how "Fairy Tail" would rank differently if released in the 2010s instead of the 2000s, suggesting shifts in audience preferences over time.

Critique of Medaka Box

Fan Culture Around Medaka Box

• The speaker recalls intense fandom surrounding "Medaka Box," describing fans as almost cult-like in their defense of the series despite mixed reviews from others.

Postmodernism Issues

• A critique is made regarding postmodern elements within "Medaka Box," arguing that excessive postmodernism leads to character caricatures which undermine narrative suspension of disbelief compared to other series like "One Piece."

Character Design Concerns

• The characters are described as overly exaggerated, which affects engagement with the story. This criticism highlights broader issues related to character development and narrative coherence within certain manga genres.

Discussion on Anime and Postmodern Narratives

The Aesthetic of Computer-Generated Manga

• The speaker critiques early computer-generated manga, specifically mentioning "Medaka Box," noting that it lacks aesthetic appeal compared to more subtle works.

• They discuss the complexity of narrative arcs in "Medaka Box," suggesting that only those familiar with Japanese culture can fully grasp its nuances.

Challenges of Postmodern Anime

• The speaker emphasizes the necessity of talent in creating effective postmodern anime, arguing that managing a postmodern narrative is challenging and can easily go awry.

• They compare anime's handling of postmodern narratives favorably against cinema, claiming that films often struggle with this style.

Cinema vs. Anime: Narrative Techniques

• The discussion highlights how cinema has regressed in narrative innovation since the 1970s due to an over-reliance on postmodern techniques.

• A recent film, "Sound of Freedom," is mentioned; while it carries a moral message, the speaker does not consider it particularly well-made.

Evaluating Recent Films

• The speaker praises "Oppenheimer" as Christopher Nolan's best work, highlighting its impactful final scene despite some narrative flaws.

• They note that while "Oppenheimer" is lengthy and at times heavy-handed, it stands out among other films released this year.

Comparisons Between Iconic Scenes

• In comparing bomb scenes from different films, the speaker favors the representation in "Twin Peaks" but acknowledges a powerful moment in "Oppenheimer."

Preferences for Reading Order

• The speaker expresses a preference for experiencing narratives without prior context to appreciate original storytelling intentions.

Critique of Final Arcs in Series

• They describe dissatisfaction with the final arc of a series (likely referring to “Medaka Box”), labeling it as lacking excitement despite having interesting battles.

Symbolism and Cultural References

• Discussion touches on symbols within narratives and their cultural significance, hinting at deeper meanings tied to specific imagery used throughout various media.

This structured summary captures key discussions from the transcript while providing timestamps for easy reference.

Discussion on Characters and Themes

The Nature of the Cuin and Ivar's Morality

• The cuin are described as having a unique afterlife, returning to a specific place upon death. This raises questions about their moral implications.

• Ivar appears to accept morally questionable actions without objection, which complicates his character and undermines the unity of action in his narrative.

• Despite not being overtly perverted, Ivar allows certain behaviors to occur around him, indicating deeper issues with his character that distract from his primary goals.

Ivar's Plans and the Manga's Direction

• Ivar is characterized as a "crazy gnostic," suggesting he has unconventional beliefs that influence his actions.

• The anime adaptation aims to clarify complex plot points that have become convoluted in the manga, particularly regarding Ivar’s true intentions.

• There is speculation about whether Ivar truly dies or if there are twists in the narrative concerning his fate.

Family Dynamics and Social Standing

• Questions arise about why other cuin dislike Ichida's family, hinting at underlying social tensions within their community.

• The lack of clarity surrounding Ichida’s family's status suggests historical grievances or societal rejection that remain unexplained.

Character Analysis: Ichida's Lineage

• Discussion touches on Ichida’s grandfather being poorly regarded, hinting at a legacy of disrepute affecting current family dynamics.

• Ichida’s father is portrayed as eccentric or unstable, adding complexity to familial relationships and individual motivations.

Industry Challenges Affecting Storytelling

• Criticism arises regarding how external pressures from publishers (like Shonen Jump) have altered story arcs significantly against original creator intentions.

• A notable conflict between an editor and the creator led to significant changes early in production, impacting narrative coherence.

Speculations on Character Representation

• There are controversial discussions about character representations within the series, including gender identity themes that may reflect broader societal issues.

This structured summary captures key insights from the transcript while providing timestamps for easy reference.

Discussion on Manga Artists and Their Styles

The Beauty of Manga Art

• The speaker praises a particular manga artist from Jump, noting that he has the most beautiful style for drawing characters, especially women. He ranks this artist as the second-best in terms of female character design.

• The conversation shifts to another artist, Katsura, who is recognized for his exceptional work in "Vid Guay" and "DNA 2." The speaker emphasizes the beauty of Katsura's depiction of feminine figures.

Themes in Seinen Manga

• A discussion about the series "Zman" reveals it as a melancholic and depressing seinen work. The speaker describes its post-modern themes and heavy atmosphere, contrasting it with its beautiful art.

• Further elaboration on "Zman" highlights its unpleasant universe filled with sadness and weightiness, despite having visually appealing artwork.

Critique of Other Works

• The speaker critiques certain manga like "Bleach" and "Fairy Tail," suggesting they have lost credibility due to recent events in their narratives.

• There’s a mention of “Vida Gu,” described as bizarre and perverted. The speaker expresses disinterest in watching it despite being aware of its reputation.

Dramatic Approaches in Storytelling

• An analysis is made regarding how “Vida Gu” takes a comedic premise but presents it dramatically, which does not resonate well with the audience according to the speaker.

Reflections on Characters and Competitions

• A tribute is paid to Gojo from “Jujutsu Kaisen,” acknowledging his significance within the narrative despite facing challenges.

• Discussion includes competitive gaming where a player missed out on winning due to an error but still managed to secure fourth place. Resilience is emphasized as crucial for success.

Community Interactions

• A brief interaction occurs regarding community members joining late into discussions about various topics including gaming competitions.

• Mention of personal connections within the community leads to humorous exchanges about individuals' identities and past interactions.

This structured summary captures key insights from the transcript while providing timestamps for easy reference back to specific parts of the discussion.